During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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to Holmes (The HH guy not the Great Detective Sherlock)
By the way, here are some pothole suggestions:
- Nero's sister: For the Evulz at "for a sick chuckle",
- Superwoman: No-Holds-Barred Beatdown at "beating him brutally"
- Mutant Leader: Decapitation Presentation at "parade his head through the streets"
- Kenny Ackerman: Genocide from the Inside at "his own people", pothole blackmail
- Colonel Asimov: Uriah Gambit at "to wipe them out", Cold-Blooded Torture at "torturing"
- Dennis Crimm: Threatening Shark at "sharks"
- Sei Tin: The Social Darwinist at "killing any clan members who he deemed as weak"
- Scimina Arameri: Final Solution at "commit utter genocide", Slavery Is a Special Kind of Evil at "enslaving", Sibling Murder at "murders her own twin Relad"
- Mark Engel: Tampering with Food and Drink at "drugging her drinks with hallucinogens"
- Gorm: Slavery Is a Special Kind of Evil at "enslaved", Final Solution at "wiped out"
- Baron Mordo: Vampiric Draining at "drain", Where I Was Born and Razed at "devour Mordo's entire universe"
And that's all I have right now.
Hey guys, just to let you know that I decided to replay Yakuza 6 after i'm done with 5, just so I can know more about Iwami's horrible deeds. Of course, with me finishing up Yakuza 5, and some other events going on in my life, it may take a while. Just giving you all the heads up.
Yes to another HH Holmes
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Yes to Holmes. So ANOTHER Karma Houdini CM from that series along with Jack? What happens to the third CM (skinwalker, aka Yee Naaldlooshii)?
I fixed the issue of placement; the tree will look like this: * Grimm Tales of Terror:
- "Skinwalkers" (Volume 4 #11): The Skinwalker, or Yee Naaldlooshii...
- "The Black Dahlia" (Volume 4 #13): Jack the Ripper...
- Holmes
I just noticed something on the AHS: Hotel YMMV. The Night Stalker listed from 1984 is listed under Hotel's YMMV as being the same character from the 1984 season. The one from 1984 is an alternative history Richard Ramirez, while the one on Hotel is the real one, as a ghost.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Oh, feel free to cut that then.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
The Skinwalker is killed, actually
Goku Black
1 out of 3 I guess...
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Thanks, AC, I just noticed it.
to H.H. Holmes.
The wifi here sucks
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Yes to Holmey.
Stay safe, Bull.
HH.
A total has-been.
Mr. Holmes.
And wait, was the Nikolai Wolf debate settled? I must've missed that.
Edited by ANewMan on Apr 18th 2021 at 4:08:06 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
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Yes.
Yes.
Goku Black
Yeah quite clear cut
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Also, I forgot to mention about the DOTA series: No keepers yet. Selemene is absolutely on the watch list, but the season ends on a cliffhanger and I don't want to propose anyone quite yet.
There’s a DOTA series? How did I not hear of this?
Edited by nwotyzal on Apr 18th 2021 at 5:36:08 AM
- Film/Outcast: Prince Shing is a ruthless, overly-ambitious tyrant who murdered his father after being denied the throne due to his sadistic tendencies. Subsequently framing his lawful younger brother, Prince Zhao and his sister, Princess Lian as the Emperor's killers, and ordering a manhunt on his own siblings, Prince Shing took over the palace's Black Guard legions, by threatening the legion's commander with having the commander's children nailed to walls in pieces and his wife ravaged by soldiers. Sending Black Guards to massacre entire villages whose inhabitants are suspected to be helping Princess Lian and Prince Zhao, Prince Shing have his army launch a direct assault on a La Résistance hideout and kill everyone in order to get to his siblings, Shing himself gleefully watching as the resistance's leader, Gallian, get brutally impaled by several Black Guards. Challenging the heavily-wounded Jacob to a Duel to the Death, Shing deliberately injures Jacob with multiple slashes and stabs in order to inflict maximum suffering, and even tried to kill his own sister, Princess Lian, when she tried to stop him from killing Jacob.
I still remember back in 2003, when DOTA was still a new "thing". 
Yes to Holmes.
Rawr.