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Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM

MasterHero Since: Aug, 2014
#26751: Apr 26th 2022 at 8:06:14 PM

Well, my ban is still active, which means I can't do anything.

ToonFreak Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#26752: Apr 26th 2022 at 8:43:50 PM

~MacronNotes

I did my best to improve them, and the one trope I missed, Sniper Rifle.

  • Car Fu: There are always 3-4 cars and a couple of motorcycles present on the map, so you can very well ram players over with them, though it'd take a few tries, and gives you an obvious blind spot. And because the map is pretty small, driving into a Red Zone is still an issue. On account of their size, bikes aren't nearly as damaging or easy to hit someone with.

  • Lethal Joke Weapon: Fists are obviously the weakest way to attack with, so you wouldn't expect a "Knuckles" weapon to be significantly stronger, let alone doing more damage than a submachine gun bullet. Moreover, its loadtime is nigh-nonexistent. That is assuming you can get close enough to someone to use it.

  • More Dakka: The LMG, which pumps out 11 bullets per second. To avoid making it a Game-Breaker, it's bullet count is pretty low. SMG is almost as fast when used, but has even less bullets.

  • Sniper Rifle: Two varieties. The Hunting Rifle and Bolt-Action Sniper.

  • Universal Ammunition: The ammo packs will resupply whatever ranged weapon you hold in your hand. Doesn't matter if it's a revolver, a shotgun, an LMG or even a crossbow. They even provide a fixed amount of ammo that depends on the weapon you possess.

Peterpol94 Since: Mar, 2018
#26753: Apr 27th 2022 at 2:45:36 AM

Hello I have taken time and have recognized my biases. I will not take to anything political and I will explain my edits without any editing wars. It would be much appreciated if I was let on again.

GastonRabbit MOD Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#26754: Apr 27th 2022 at 5:27:46 AM

~Soul Buy, you're good to go, so I released you.

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#26755: Apr 27th 2022 at 6:02:57 AM

~Macron Notes: Understood

Edited by KazuyaProta on Apr 27th 2022 at 8:07:22 AM

Watch me destroying my country
Yasmine612 Since: Dec, 2020
#26756: Apr 27th 2022 at 8:57:49 AM

@Macron Notes: I have read the Edit War page. If a work is deleted by one person and a different person adds another version of that work and they delete it a third time, it would be called for suspension.

crazysamaritan MOD NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#26757: Apr 27th 2022 at 10:00:03 AM

~Stevebob — It seems that we're not being clear enough. The sub-bullet indentation for the disambiguation was brought up in TRS. We checked your PM history and saw indentation notifiers for Evernight, YMMV.Game Of Thrones, Age-Gap Romance, and more. The fact that you were informed of the policy on indentation back in 2016 and you are still using indentation wrong in 2022 meant that you were, for some reason, not treating Example Indentation in Trope Lists seriously. That you received natter and Word Cruft messages as recently as 2020 meant that this is clearly an ongoing problem.

You seem to know how to do it right, but despite that, you indented one trope under another.


~BobTheBard — The first indentation notifier you received was for this edit.

The reason why we asked you to correct the Tier Induced Scrappy entry is because it contains more than just one problem. It is part of your test to correctly assess if the Nurgle faction is one or two examples. We expect the text to be rewritten when you post it here. Please check Example Indentation in Trope Lists, natter, and Word Cruft for help.


~MasterHero — Yes, because we wanted to make sure that you understood that you will not be extended any further chances after release. You are being offered a rare fourth chance. Any further policy violations will be grounds for permanent suspension.

Edited by crazysamaritan on Apr 27th 2022 at 1:20:56 PM

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
crazysamaritan MOD NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#26758: Apr 27th 2022 at 2:00:59 PM

~CookingCat — You were "using PMs to discuss [a Northern European politics thread] with [nrjxll] and Ominae."

That counts as ban evading, just as using PM to request edits is an evasion of a wiki suspension. Doing "good edits" doesn't justify doing "bad edits". You've lost the ability to use private messaging on this website.


~ToonFreak — Overall, we're going to insist that you didn't improve these entries. Sniper Rifle is the most egregious of the lot. The version that you just posted here "Two varieties. The Hunting Rifle and Bolt-Action Sniper." looks just like the Zero-Context Example sample "Corrupt Politician: Alice is one.". Take some time to examine each trope and give proper context, not too much or too little. There's no deadline to finish this by, but you have a limited number of attempts.


~Peterpol94 — Alright, please make sure that you do. We will give you a second chance, but third chances are unlikely.


Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Stevebob Since: May, 2016
#26759: Apr 27th 2022 at 3:27:33 PM

~crazysamaritan. Honestly I don't even remember why I indented the list like that now, because I usually don't (after being corrected years back). I think I saw a couple other indexes or disambiguation pages that did indenting like that and got confused. Reading over the indenting example page I can see that just bullet-pointing tropes in alphabetical order one after the other appears to the accepted way, though this is inconsistent across the site. I would be happy to fix my indentation mistake on that one page and on others if my suspension was lifted. In regards to Word Cruft or overly-long examples, I have been working on making examples more concise; to the best of my knowledge I haven't received any complaints or messages about this for two years.

BobTheBard Since: Aug, 2010
#26760: Apr 27th 2022 at 3:31:01 PM

~Crazy Samaritan How's this? I worked a bit on Kostaltyn's section as well.

Edit: Snipped a sentence that, on second thought, wasn't necessary.

  • Tier Induced Scrappy:
    • Kostaltyn. The campaign requires the faction leader to have a single strong army to enter the Realm of Chaos and fight the survival battles, but Kostaltyn's bonuses apply to lower-tier units and favor recruiting large numbers of weaker armies. Additionally he starts out in Castle Alexandronov in Troll Country, which is right at the end of the 'Norscan Highway' that every Norscan faction and three of the five Daemon factions use to invade, quickly putting him on the defensive and keeping him there for a long time. Compared to other Kislevite leaders who have the same roster, better faction buffs, and a buffer between them and Norsca, he struggles to keep up. While considered average in PvP the other two Kislevite Lords are still more popular due to a Patriarch being capable of doing most of what players would want from Kostaltyn.
    • Nurgle is generally seen as the game's weakest faction. Nurgle buildings operate on a cycle once built, automatically evolving through phases that have different bonuses, then resetting. This means important stats like corruption spread, income, and control can fluctuate significantly, complicating their infrastructure development. Army-wise they are a force that is all anvil and no hammer; their units are durable, their debuffs are strong, and their healing is exceptional, but they're slow, lack killing power, and can't counter ranged units effectively. On the mechanics end they get Plagues which they can customize to have various effects but most of these effects have to be unlocked through research and by spreading weaker plagues, something no other plague-using faction has to go through. Nurgle plagues are also shorter-lived than others by default and have a hidden hard cap on the number of times they can spread, limiting how far their plagues can reach.

Edited by BobTheBard on Apr 27th 2022 at 4:33:00 AM

DezzMarie95 Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#26761: Apr 27th 2022 at 5:52:50 PM

Hi I love to edit tropes on this wonderful site. I realized my mistake in editing certain tropes (flamebait, ect) and it was very wrong of me to do so. I take full responsibility for my mistakes and I apologize. I will learn the rules. I love to edit. How long am I suspended and how do I rectify my mistake?

MasterHero Since: Aug, 2014
#26762: Apr 27th 2022 at 6:47:32 PM

I sincerely apologize. If it isn't too much to ask, what were my previous offenses?

Berrenta MOD How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#26763: Apr 27th 2022 at 9:43:16 PM

~Dezz Marie 95, your issue here is twofold: you were adding an item that is declared Flame Bait (we don't want audience reaction examples for these tropes), and you readded it when it was removed. The latter is what we call an Edit War.

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Berrenta MOD How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#26764: Apr 28th 2022 at 5:50:05 AM

It turns out that Fudget Muppet, who was released recently, was a ban evader. They have been sent packing.

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crazysamaritan MOD NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#26765: Apr 28th 2022 at 6:23:25 AM

~Master HeroSuspension #1, Suspension #2, and this suspension. If the first two had happened within a year, you likely wouldn't have even been extended the third chance. You're getting a fourth chance because we expect you not to mess up on any other part of the wiki or the rest of the website. That is, if we discover you causing problems in... Liveblogs, for example, we'd bounce you if the offence was severe (like using hate speech) or simply remove wiki and liveblog permissions if the offence was minor. We don't want people coming back to this thread, even two to five years later.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
DrScavenge27 Since: Jul, 2020
#26766: Apr 28th 2022 at 8:37:23 AM

Hey guys. It took some time for me, but I'm sincerely apologize for these... incidents. Maybe I should start proposing only fanfic villains.

Yasmine612 Since: Dec, 2020
#26767: Apr 28th 2022 at 9:03:06 AM

Can't wait until my editing suspension is over.sad

IndirectActiveTransport You Give Me Fever from Chicago Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
You Give Me Fever
#26768: Apr 28th 2022 at 9:24:25 AM

Five days ago I edited the wiki. Today I tried to do that again. I'm assuming I cannot because of something I've done longer than five days ago. Am I wrong? If anyone wants to let me know what it is we can discuss it.

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#26769: Apr 28th 2022 at 9:39:02 AM

@Synchronicity

Thirty days ago, I said I would dedicate myself to fully understanding the rules of the site, particularly the off-topic conversation threads and crowner etiquette, lack of regard for which were the causes of my suspensions. I understand, too, that this is my final chance to demonstrate my knowledge of the how these rules on TV Tropes work, and as any further misbehavior on my part will result in a permanent ban. I've made good use of those thirty days to read up on the rules, and now I'm much more familiar with them.

While I've done everything I was asked to do during these past thirty days, I also have a much better understanding of how and why the things I did were wrong. And once again— I can't say this enough— I'm sorry for it.

Berrenta MOD How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#26770: Apr 28th 2022 at 12:24:10 PM

Sorry, but it looks like you're missing the point, ~Dr Scavenge 27. Besides, you were told you are permanently banned, so why bother?

Goodbye.

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crazysamaritan MOD NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#26771: Apr 28th 2022 at 12:32:46 PM

~Stevebob and ~BobTheBard, Thank you both for coming here to discuss your suspensions. Since you appear to understand how to avoid one in the future, we are releasing you.


As mentioned, ~MasterHero and ~ElSquibbonator, this will be your last chance on the wiki and potentially the entire website. We hope to see more of you in productive areas and abiding by the rules in conflict resolution.
~Yasmine612 — We gave you several chances, but you were somehow unable to read either the policy or our posts properly. We released your query privileges on the assumption that you might be productive there, but we don't believe that you will contribute positively to the wiki.

Edited by crazysamaritan on Apr 28th 2022 at 3:32:59 PM

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ToonFreak Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#26772: Apr 28th 2022 at 12:35:44 PM

~MacronNotes

I put them in the proper layout and trimmed them down to be more readable. I tried to make it entertaining, as TV Tropes makes a point about being funny, but I worried adding too many jokes in an edit was pushing it.

  • Car Fu: There are always 3 or 4 cars and a couple of motorcycles on the map, so you can just forego any attempts at shooting and just turn players into roadkill, though it has drawbacks, as it'd take a few tries to kill an enemy unless you have them cornered, and it gives you an obvious blind spot if your enemy is armed and you have to make a slow turn. Red Zones on a rather small map are also an issue. On account of their size, bikes aren't nearly as damaging or easy to hit someone with, though they can fit better in smaller areas.

  • Lethal Joke Weapon: Fists are obviously the weakest way to attack with, so you wouldn't expect the "Knuckles" to be significantly stronger, let alone doing more damage than a bullet from an assault rifle or submachine gun . For obvious reasons, its loadtime is nigh-nonexistent at a quick 0.3 seconds, making it a really effective weapon. Assuming you can get close enough to someone to use it.

  • More Dakka
    • The LMG, which pumps out 11 bullets per second. To avoid making it a Game-Breaker, it's bullet count is pretty low, not to mention it slows you down.
    • The SMG is almost as fast when used, but has even less bullets, a mere 30, and it has a very large spread.

  • Sniper Rifle
    • Hunting Rifle does 800 damage and reloads in under a second.
    • The Bolt-Action Sniper does 990 and takes 1.2 seconds to reload.

  • Universal Ammunition: The ammo packs will resupply whatever ranged weapon you hold in your hand. Doesn't matter if it's gun, launcher, or even a crossbow. They even provide a fixed amount of ammo that depends on the weapon you possess. Naturally, you can't pick them up if you don't have a ranged weapon.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from tall grass (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#26773: Apr 28th 2022 at 5:41:57 PM

Sky here, temporarily interrupting my hiatus to appeal my suspension.

Over the past few days, I have done some thinking about the "politically incorrect" edit reasons and posts where I wished violence on child predators and other sexual abusers.

The truth is, I recognize that what I said was well beyond the boundaries of socially acceptable behaviour, especially when you consider some of those statements are considered death threats, even though I have no actual intention of carrying those threats out.

In the process of venting my hatred of sexual predators, I have made comments to the effect of wanting child pornographers to die on camera; showing a lack of empathy for predators who suffer abuse in prison; wanting misogynists to have their sexual autonomy taken away as they wish to do to others.

While I admit I still struggle with a strong antipathy towards said predators, I recognize that by expressing my sentiments out loud/online, I am sinking to their level.

While I was distraught by the prospect of such a prolific and vile sexual predator as Ian Watkins being paroled at all, I recognize that my own behaviour was uncivil, uncouth, unprofessional, and inexcusable.

These are not choices I intend to repeat.

I hope that I can have my editing/posting privileges restored, and I recognize this is likely my last chance if I am released.

I also recognize that I sometimes interject in fora where my input isn't necessary, and I have been working on that. I intend to avoid such behaviour from now on, as well.

I have also tried to make a concerted effort to maintain civil discourse in the fora in general.

Additionally, I recognize that my bias against Justin Trudeau has clouded my judgement at least once, and it is a mistake I have no intention of repeating.

If my release is not an option, I would just like to say that being a member of this site for the past 3 or so years has been an honour and a privilege.

Edit: I am offline tomorrow, just FYI, so I'll respond when I get back online.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 29th 2022 at 6:18:43 AM

Rawr.
Tr0p6564rch6r Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#26774: Apr 28th 2022 at 8:17:16 PM

I gave it some thought and I think I got something.

While I admittedly can't exactly give a straight answer regarding the first question, I can give my thoughts regarding the second:

  • Amoral Attorney - Hank is like this at the start of the movie. He remarks he respects the law just fine, but he isn't "in awe of it" or "encumbered by it," plus "Innocent people can't afford me."

    • The bolded statement needs to be expanded upon. Perhaps one could be somewhat more specific as to "he isn't in the awe of it or encumbered by it".

  • Jerkass Has a Point - Like Hank says at the beginning of the movie, it's not his fault when a prosecutor can't find evidence to prove the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

    • I can't really identify what is wrong with this but this sentence appears to be pretty solid.

  • Daddy's Girl - Hank's daughter Lauren.

    • The two previous statements explained why said character can be considered an "amoral attorney" or a "jerkass who has a point". This one is too short and isn't very specific.

  • A Date With Rosie Palms: Played for Laughs - Sam hits on Hank, but then chastises him for thinking she wanted anything more than a one-night stand and claims that she will instead go home to enact the trope.

    • "enact the trope" requires fixing. Don't know much about this trope, but it makes the sentence tonally inconsistent and it doesn't detail what the trope is unlike previous ones.

  • Trailers Always Lie - The movie was promoted as a suspense thriller. However, it's just a Slice of Life film about a man returning home and dealing with unresolved issues with family and a love interest. Some critics took it personally.

    • "about a man returning home". His name?

    • "dealing with unresolved issues with family and a love interest". The love interest's name?

    • "some critic took it personally". What did they say about it?

Call me "Pursuer of the Obscure". Also, funny quote: "A little eager on that buzzer, aren't we?"
crazysamaritan MOD NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#26775: Apr 28th 2022 at 9:34:41 PM

~Toon Freak — The team is pretty much in agreement that you have a reasonable grasp on indentation. However, we had also discussed making sure that things are actually an example. Your suggested indentation is correct, but in clearing out a lot of the Word Cruft, it clarifies that the entries doesn't contain enough context to qualify as an example. And you don't seem to have realized that because you didn't make the objection yourself. So we are going to move on and discuss Example Context. Your most recent edit was to Machinima.Shock Hat 734:

  • Only Sane Man: Meta Knight is the only Kirby character to have any sort of common sense, yet he's struggling to keep his grip on sanity because of the people around him.
    • Adeleine also fills the role, when she isn't possessed or sees anything that reminds her of Dark Matter.
Now, you should easily be able to identify the indentation problem, but the challenge here is in making sure that both entries explain how the character fits the trope. For reference, here's a link to the policy page: Zero-Context Example.

~Indirect Active Transport — Thank you for coming to discuss your suspension. You are correct that this comes due to a history of activity rather than a specific edit. To summarize, there are two areas that we would like to discuss with you.

  1. Acting as a disruptive influence in the workshops (mostly by quibbling over details irrelevant to the discussion).
  2. Editing mistakes (13 notifiers, as well as several custom messages about "What Goes Where")
For now you have wiki, query, and workshops suspended. What would you like to discuss first?
For the rest, sorry. We will get to you soon.

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