Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- If a work is already reserved by another user, please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM
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Doom
Collector of Worlds
to Doom. Kind of reminds of Nolan!Scarecrow, with the novelisation version being approved a while before his movie version.
Films!Doom
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Pending stuff (minus Lighty's; also, Mir, still waiting for the TMNT X Street Fighter page):
- Nemesis (Arawn):
- The Foreigner (2017): Hugh McGrath (Atlantis)
- Bear With Me: The Lost Robots: Lifty Workofsky (holygrail24)
- Heart of Stone: Parker (Infernal Ketchup)
- Fyrakk (Lore)
for Harkonnen
for ‘nother Doom. What exactly was his endgame here? Not giving back the board would mean Earth gets blown up and he’s on Earth, right? Or was he planing to use the board to travel through space and leave the planet to his fate?
Here's my writeup for Parker:
- Heart of Stone: Parker is a former MI6 agent who seeks to steal and take control of the Heart and wipe out the Charter out of pettiness for abandoning him years ago. Secretly poisoning and killing Mulvaney for information about the Heart, Parker finds out Stone is a Charter agent and ruthlessly guns down Bailey and Yang in front of her before poisoning Stone and injecting her with a hacking device. Using this device, Parker has his right-hand Keya hack into the Charter and later steal the heart. When Keya is found in a village in Africa with Stone, Parker has his men violently raid and open fire on the village to bring Keya back. Upon having the Heart activated, Parker first targets the King of Diamonds and her family by dropping the elevator lift they were in, murdering them and several other bystanders in a lobby. He then targets the King of Hearts and dozens of other Charter agents in a local bunker and seals off the bunker and shuts off the ventilation system to try and murder all of them by suffocation. Parker then lures the King of Clubs and his men to a university building and then blows it up, killing the Charter agents and dozens of other innocent civilians. When Keya betrays him and shuts down the Heart after being fed up by his undefendable actions, Parker hunts her down and brutalizes her to force her to reactivate the Heart. When Stone finds him, Parker holds Keya hostage and attempts to brutally kill the both of them in one last act of spite. While claiming that the world is still in chaos and that he wants to use the Heart to change the world for good, Stone and the story point out that Parker is just a murderous and sadistic narcissist with a thirst for power.
Shadow Ranger
To Harkonnen and Movie!Doom
Also, new CM EP.
What is the work?
In Another World with My Smartphone is a novel series written by Patora Fuyuhara. It focuses on Touya Mochizuki, a teenage boy who was accidentally killed by a lightning bolt by the God. The God felt remorse for his mistake and in exchange for that he revives him to another world with his smartphone, before giving him magical powers as apology gifts. Touya now begins his own adventure in this world.
Who is he?
Yula is the strategist of the Phrase, being the main mastermind responsible for the multiversal Phrase invasion that destroyed countless worlds, thousands of years ago, in his own goal to conquer every worlds he targets, by finding the power of the Sovereign Phrase before focusing on finding an even higher power, which is strong enough to usurp the Pantheon so that he can rule over the multiverse as he sees fit.
Prior to the events of the series, after Melle was forced out in Phrasia five thousand years ago when the Phrase became too dependent on her, the Phrase army and Yula himself chased their leader across other worlds within the multiverse against her wishes. But Yula has other plans, where he uses this to his own advantage in his goal to conquer every world he encounters. He is largely responsible for the destruction of the ancient civilization, five millennia ago, which includes the Partheno Sacred Empire, as well as other kingdoms and empires in his slaughter at the time. His actions are considered so drastic to the point that the Phrase are still at large even in the present-time where these new countries after Partheno's existence have to deal with an ancient threat that killed countless innocent people during Yula's slaughter.
While that is happening, Yula happens to meet a God-in-exile known as the Servile God, who was exiled from the Pantheon after being condemned as a traitor, before he allies with him so they can take over Touya's world and the Pantheon themselves by creating the Wicked God, a deific vessel powerful enough to destroy the world. But Yula, for being the backstabbing hypocrite he is, instead betrays him since all the Phrase strategist wanted is the Wicked God's power and so he absorbs the Servile God into the vessel, leading to the Wicked God gaining a massive power boost enough to overpower the Pantheon. As a self-defence measure, Yula places a Divine Venom into the Wicked God, so that any Gods including Touya will be killed through contact. He proceeds his full-scale invasion within the merged Eastern and Western Continents with an army of Mutant Phrases, in his ultimate goal to destroy Touya's world and eliminating the Pantheon so that he would rule the world with an iron fist.
Yula then proceeds to use the Wicked God's power and create Niflheim, a Pocket Dimension that serves as a prison so he can send Touya in there, while he forces him to watch everyone he knows including his friends, his family and his own allies getting massacred by his army. But Touya went one step ahead of him, where he was able to escape his prison, leading to him and his empowered allies to defeat the Wicked God. The result is Yula losing all of his powers, before becoming a pathetic, begging soul in front of Melle, the same person he betrayed in his path of conquest. Yula frantically begged Melle for an honourable death in Phrasia, but his atrocities and the endless list of carnage he caused across the multiverse left Melle to cruelly execute him inside the dimension he created, thus finally putting an end to the Phrase invasion.
Heinous Standards?
He easily passes it, no questions asked, as he's responsible for the Phrase invasion in the past that haunted many people in the present because of their ancestors experiencing it. There is a very good reason why the Phrase are feared by everyone in Touya's world, including the kingdoms of both the Eastern and the Western Continent. Yula razed countless kingdoms and empires, including Partheno, and even other worlds (since his invasion is on the multiversal level), as well as causing the deaths of countless innocents in the worlds he and his Phrase army invaded all because of his bloody goal to seek the Sovereign's power, as well as the power of the Wicked God, to usurp the Pantheon and become a God. The devastating effects of the Phrase invasion he caused on the once-extant Partheno Sacred Empire still lingers to this day, especially when the Phrase have resurfaced again as the bigger threat to various kingdoms including Belfast, Regulus, Ramissh, Lestia, Felsen, Xenoahs, Brunhild, etc.
He has no loyalty to the others he worked with, as when he only worked with the Servile God to use him into awakening the Wicked God and later absorbs him into the entity, so he can start destroying Touya's world with his Mutant Phrase army and the Wicked God on his side. To say nothing of his cruelty to anyone he encounters is an Understatement, where he corrupted the remaining uncorrupted Phrase in his faction, while willingly letting these mutants to consume every mortal being so the Wicked God can be powered up more. During the full-scale invasion, Yula takes this to another level when he seals Touya inside a Pocket Dimension known as Niflheim, so he'll force him to watch all of his allies, his friends and his family getting helplessly slaughtered by Mutant Phrases so he could complete his plan in burning and destroying the world in his act of For the Evulz, thus planning to re-do his destructive goal in the past, in spite of the lives he loses.
Freudian Excuse?
Nope. Time and time again, Yula is proven to be irredeemable as he only cares for his quest of power, regardless of innocent lives he killed and countless worlds he destroyed in his millennia-long slaughter. To make it very clear, Yula begged for a honourable death to Melle after being finally defeated by Touya and his allies, but with Melle herself knowing the atrocities he caused in his terror, he instead gets a swift execution at the hands of the Sovereign Phrase, with no one even shedding a tear from their eyes since he's far too dangerous to be left alive in the face of humanity.
His loyalty to the people, including the Servile God, and the Phrase minions he worked with is just textbook Chronic Backstabbing Disorder and pragmatism at its best, since he eventually betrays the Servile God at the end once the Wicked God was created, as well as mutating every uncorrupted Phrase into his own army. Thus, he only cares for his own goals of usurping every world he conquers until anyone bows to him.
Verdict
Easy yes.
Edited by holygrail24 on Dec 8th 2023 at 6:35:18 AM
The Metro series fan! Steam Account: Randum
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I'll read the EP later, but does Parker really need to be over 300 words?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Not the Eye
Yula
I can help trim the writeup down if you want
Yula
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
you really read the Yula.
to Yula
I’ve noticed that once again someone brought up Fecto again. Any chance we should put him in Resolved Items?
Woagh
to Yula.
Honestly ![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thumbs_down_emote.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
to putting Fecto up, every attempted discussion was done by the same 2 people and the last post was nearly a year ago, which IMO isn't enough for Resolved Items.
Classy, Refined, Unstable
Yula
And agreed about not needing to put Fecto up yet. The troper just asked a genuine question, Dood responded about it and there's been no persistence there.
Yes, yes, old boy, we'd like nothing more than to stay and be a part of your primitive, barbaric society, but duty calls, duty calls...
Caesar
Sure to Yula
And courtesy of Scraggle, I did the EP, him the write-up:
- Wish (2023): King Magnifico, the egotistical ruler of Rosas, starts off as a universally beloved ruler who has the power to make the wishes of his subjects come true. In reality, Magnifico abuses this power for his own satisfaction, leaving the vast majority of these wishes unfulfilled as he exploits the people’s love for him to stay in power. When Asha calls him out on this, Magnifico spites her in a public ceremony by making it appear as though he’ll grant the wish of her grandfather—who has waited almost a century for his wish to come true—only to double around and grant someone else’s wish instead. Magnifico goes from hoarding wishes to outright stealing them, absorbing them from innocent citizens who are left in despair and agony as Magnifico essentially steals a part of their souls. Growing increasingly unhinged the more he's challenged, Magnifico brainwashes one of Asha’s teenage allies by turning his own wish against him, blasts his own wife for rebelling against him, and tortures Asha in front of the whole kingdom. Finally, using Star as a Living Battery, Magnifico decides to magically plunge all of Rosas into eternal, soul-crushing despair, reasoning that if he can't win the love of his citizens, then he’ll just grind them all beneath his heel instead.
Craig, Harkonen, Doom, Yula
Yula
Is that just a silly harem anime? WTF??
Yes to Yula and we have so many monsters from silly harem anime I don’t think this needs further comment, it’s not out of place at all on the overall list.
Caesar
Yeah, at this point it's more surprising when the "seemingly lighthearted isekai harem anime" doesn't have some batshit fucked up villain lol, they're filled with Westcotts; Medeas; Haunteds...
WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!
- Nemesis
- Frankie Robles is a serial killer who drugs his victims, coats them in epoxy, and poses them like mannequins to enact various scenes of mundane life. Registering a 9.5 out of 10 on the Hudson Scale, Robles was active long before Nemesis was created, joined Divine Retribution, and claimed dozens—if not hundreds—of victims over the subsequent thirteen years—using some of his victims to decorate Divine Retribution's shrine to Nemesis under Martha's Vineyard and hollowing others out to serve as hiding places in case the NSO came calling.
- Daimon Dunn is a narcissistic sociopath who founded Divine Retribution within three years of Nemesis' creation, cobbling together pieces of various mythologies into a manifesto claiming that Nemesis will cleanse the world of the "unworthy"—exploiting people's fear to rally followers. Seeking to supplant Nemesis and become a god himself, Dunn had his cultists combine Nemesis' genetic material with the RC-714 mutagen to create a serum to turn people into Golyat—eternally ravenous monstrosities that grow the more they eat and can infect people through their bodily fluids. Testing the Golyat serum on Martha's Vineyard—killing thousands and leading to the island being wiped out—Dunn retreated to a hidden base under Neo-Boston and turned himself into a Golyat—devouring enough people to grow to be 500 feet tall. Unleashing the Golyat mutagen in the underground city of Beantown, Dunn then attempted to kill and consume Nemesis.
Here’s an oldie but goodie.
What’s the work?
WinBack is a unique third-person shooter initially released for the N64 and later for the PS2 by Koei. It’s noted as one of the first games to make heavy use of cover-based mechanics, something that would become ubiquitous a generation later. The story puts you in the role of Jean-Luc Cougar, a young member of special forces team SCAT (don’t laugh), who’s sent to contain a terrorist threat. That brings us to today’s candidate.
Who is Cecile Carlyle? What has he done?
Carlyle is the second-in-command of the Sarcozian terrorist group Crying Lions (in what I have to assume is an homage to Foxhound). The Lions are the remnants of a resistance movement that included Lions leader Kenneth Coleman and his father sometime around the Third Sarcozian Rebellion, in what was an attempt to take back their country from the American-backed government. However, while Kenneth and most of the Lions are devoted to their cause and have good intentions despite their methods, Cecile isn’t quite so noble.
Introduced helping to take over a facility that serves as the control center for a high-tech weapons satellite, Cecile assists Kenneth and the other Lions in killing the staff present, after which Kenneth uses the satellite to destroy a related space center and its anti-satellite measures. When SCAT is called in to deal with the terrorists, Cecile shows himself early by personally killing Matt Taylor, one of the SCAT commandos, with a sniper rifle, before attempting to also kill Jean-Luc. Cecile takes pleasure in this act, seeming to relish in the slaughter for the sake of it. This will become evident further into the game.
Not long after, Cecile orders the office complex that houses the service elevator to be destroyed, presumably in order to cripple advancement to the control center. This is despite a number of Lions, including lieutenants Ryan and Leon still being inside. Whether Kenneth sanctioned it isn’t clear, but regardless, Cecile is all too happy to destroy the building. And Kenneth certainly wouldn’t be happy for Cecile to be throwing the lives of loyal men away like that. The plan is thwarted by SCAT, and Cecile is absent for quite a while after this.
We next meet Cecile after Jean-Luc descends into the control center from the freight elevator, where Cecile personally executes SCAT heavy Law Buford despite him being near death already. From here, things play out depending on how long the player took to get to certain stages.
In the worst ending, Cecile isn’t present at all until the final confrontation in the control room, which is after Kenneth has used the satellite to blow up the Pentagon and the White House. Here, he mocks Jean-Luc for being too late, stating that nothing makes him happier than knowing he ruined someone else’s day. He’s subsequently killed in the following fight.
In the good and normal endings, Cecile ends up showing his true colors even moreso, but with some differences. Both paths start the same; after Jean-Luc turns on the power to the central elevator, Cecile informs him that he’s captured Lisa Roberts, another SCAT commando, and makes it clear that consequences will be dire if Jean-Luc doesn’t present himself. Jean-Luc does as told, and Cecile takes pleasure in being in control of the situation as he taunts Jean-Luc. However, SCAT member Jake Hudson bursts into the room and distracts Cecile and his mute bodyguard Deathmask, only to be shot multiple times by Cecile in turn. Cecile then orders Deathmask to kill Jean-Luc while he takes Lisa to Kenneth.
And it’s here that Cecile demonstrates what his real intentions are. He shoots Kenneth in the back, proceeding to shoot him several more times while he’s lying helplessly for good measure, all with a smile. He then makes a call to the Pentagon and demands a large amount of ransom money or else he’ll keep firing the satellite. Of course, Cecile admits that he’s planning on using the satellite after he gets the money anyway in order to escape unnoticed, willing to kill countless more innocents just as a shield. At that moment, SCAT leader Dan Stewart, previously thought to be dead, shoots Cecile. In the normal ending, this is the last we see of him, and it’s suggested he got away.
In the good ending, Cecile of course is still alive. After Jean-Luc has fatally wounded Dan (who as it turns out, was Kenneth’s brother; long story), Cecile enters the control room and blows up Dan’s body with a grenade before attempting to kill Jean-Luc. But Jean-Luc, who has killed literally hundreds of Lions up to that point, kills Cecile and thwarts the terrorists for good.
Heinousness?
This is an interesting one, because Kenneth also was using the satellite with deadly consequences. However, Kenneth is doing it because he wants to free his country and he believes in his ideals. Cecile has no such ideals, and simply wants a shitload of money. Even when his demands are to be met, Cecile still plans on using the satellite again.
Then there’s personal nastiness with him taking pleasure in killing Matt and executing a near-dead Law. While he does share these crimes with Dan and Banderas, who also kill teammates, Cecile shows that he truly enjoys the act of killing for the sake of it. While a number of the Lion lieutenants are blood knights of some degree (like Banderas and Leon), they’re more interested in a good fight than anything. The only other Lion who shows the same sadism is Lila, who doesn't really get to demonstrate her bloodlust.
So all in all, Cecile wants to go above and beyond what Kenneth wants for purely selfish reasons.
Redeeming qualities?
Not a one. Cecile is a bloodthirsty psycho who doesn’t even care about the lives of his own men, many of whom would no doubt be killed were his plan to destroy the office complex have succeeded. Nor does he care about the goals of the Sarcozian revolution, clearly just seeing the Lions as being a way to enrich himself off mass murder.
As he says in one of the endings, he gets off on making others miserable.
Verdict?
I’d love to keep this piece of work, even if he does look like Sephiroth.
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Yula—love those baddies from a light novel series.
Cecile
Edited by KazuyaProta on Dec 8th 2023 at 10:35:45 AM
Watch me destroying my country
Caesar
I'll lean yea on Cecile
WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!