One Piece cleanup

This thread is for the One Piece franchise page, as well as the related series/creator/manga pages.

Since One Piece is approaching its 25th anniversary this year (2022), I think we can start doing a clean up effort on all of the bad examples on the relevant pages (including the work pages, character pages, YMMV pages, recap pages and so on).

Any ideas?

I was going to start the thread, considering how much I fangirl about the series. Ah well.

I'll just start off by gathering more opinions about these Scrappy entries I found on the YMMV page. This is just a copy paste on my opinions on these entries from the thread though.

YMMV.One Piece

• The Scrappy:
  • Hody Jones, who many view as a poor rehash of Arlong. His misanthropy by his admission, has no personal basis; he simply grew up in an environment filled with like-minded Fish-men. His performance in battle was also miserable, losing in a Single-Stroke Battle to Zoro while underwater, and his drugged-up form was little more than a punching bag to Luffy.
  • Absalom, a lecherous, misogynistic Jerkass who's a complete waste of a cool Devil Fruit power, and whose only accomplishment of note is sexually harassing Nami. It's to point where not only did he appear as little as possible after his introductory arc, but his only post-Time Skip appearance is getting unceremoniously killed off by Blackbeard and his crew, with his power getting transferred to the far cooler Shiryu.
  • Momonosuke has a role similar to Vivi, Shirahoshi and Rebecca as royalty who needs the Straw Hats’ help to save his home. Yet he’s far less popular than any of the three, for reasons ranging from Dirty Kid antics to being a mostly helpless child given a lot of importance, although his moment of courage when he's about to be executed saved him in the eyes of some fans. He ranked at an abysmal 180th place in the global poll, despite being with the crew since Punk Hazard and the poll taking place in the middle of the Wano arc where he's most important.

With Hordy, it should also be mentioned that he's a Hate Sink, and the reason he was beaten so easily was because of how the Straw Hats trained for 2 years. It could also mention how the story hyped up Fishman Island only for them to breeze through it.

For Absalom, this entry feels like it was written by a whiny fan, not from a neutral point of view. Like Hordy, the entry should be noting he's a Hate Sink, but focus on how he wastes the power of the Clear-Clear Fruit for his perverted desires, which is pretty cliche thing to do with invisibility, the fans would rather see it treated like a lot of abilities by a badass in battle. Also don't like the gushing for Shiryu at the end.

As for Momonosuke, it seems to argue with itself a little bit, and the bit about the poll should be removed at least, because popularity polls don't indicate how hated a character is, just how liked they are.

EDIT: As a side note, should we use the Viz or the Funimation spelling for Hody or Hordy's name?

Edited by PlasmaPower on Feb 19th 2022 at 12:52:55 PM

I think the entry on Momonosuke can be removed.

Also, this wiki uses the official English translations for names. In this case, we usually use the Viz spellings (except for Zoro, of course).

Edited by gjjones on Feb 19th 2022 at 11:58:37 AM

He could still be a Scrappy, it's just that you can't use popularity polls as proof that he's hated. I want to make sure I'm not deleting a valid entry, so have you've seen any major hate towards Mononosuke?

Anyways, I also recently made an entry for Adored by the Network on the trivia page, and I want to make sure if it's valid. A show continuing to play despite low ratings must count for adored, should it?

• Adult Swim's Toonami really loved to play Funimation's uncut dub despite the low ratings, starting on Episode 207 (The first episode made in HD), it played on the block from 2013 to 2017, and when they were forced to drop it for legal and financial reasons, they made a short send-off music video for it before replacing it with Tokyo Ghoul. When One Piece was put back on the schedule in 2022, in addition to starting at Episode 517 (the first post-time skip episode), it was given two slots on the block, presumably to help with the slow pacing.

Nope, I haven't seen any major hate towards Momonosuke on my end.

Also, since July 22 is often considered "One Piece Day", we can expect edits around that timeframe.

Edited by gjjones on Feb 19th 2022 at 12:20:50 PM

• Tough Act to Follow: As the Water 7 arc is considered one of the high points of the series, and one moment at which the series started Growing the Beard, the Thriller Bark arc, which followed Water 7, is often unfavorably compared to it. It doesn't help that the arc after that is a significant Wham Episode.

I think it's worth mentioning that Thriller Bark was meant to come before Enies Lobby, but because of Oda taking a liking to what would be Franky's voice actor, he created a role for him and switched the places of these arcs around.

That being said, this seems like misuse to me, as it mentions the Summit War arc as being awesome as Enies Lobby. The trope is supposed to be when any story after the stated one can't match how awesome it was.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Feb 19th 2022 at 1:17:06 PM

Momonosuke was hated enough to earn The Scrappy back when Punk Hazard was all we had to look at him. Of course, that's almost 10 years ago, and now with Wano he's decently well liked.

So a Rescued from the Scrappy Heap entry would be in order then. Not sure if I should remove his current The Scrappy entry because I never really got a clear answer out of whenever those saved should still have those entries.

• Unintentionally Unsympathetic:
  • Boa Hancock can fall under this, being an extremely self-centered misandrist and petty bitch who embodies Screw the Rules, I'm Beautiful! to such a degree that it's almost painful to watch. Her Freudian Excuse that she was enslaved by World Nobles doesn't make her misandry any less irrational, as there are plenty of female World Nobles and male slaves, and the later Fish-Man Island arc's narrative is quite adamant about not judging humanity as a whole based on the World Nobles. This is kind of weasel wordy. Also, slavery is a pretty serious thing so you can’t just disregard it as something inconsequential.
  • While it's easy to feel sorry for Luffy as his brother Ace is killed by Akainu, many fans don't feel the same way for Ace himself because, not only did he go after Blackbeard against Whitebeard's orders because he couldn't stand that Blackbeard had disgraced their father by betraying the crew like that, but when he's finally freed after no small amount of bloodshed, over which he wangsted for the first half of the arc, he stops escaping because Akainu has insulted Whitebeard. Despite his allies, including Luffy of all people, pleading with him to ignore the jibes, he fights the Admiral and is killed by him. It can be difficult to feel terribly sorry for him when not only did he disregard the sacrifice of the dozens if not hundreds of his allies that died for his sake, he gets himself killed in a glaring case of Idiot Ball, rendering all their efforts pointless.. This doesn’t even explain how he’s meant to be sympathetic, and seemingly just blames Ace for his own death.
  • Momonosuke on paper is a poor orphan kid whose parents were killed horribly, his country was taken over, and has a massive amount of responsibility laid on his shoulders as heir to his clan. But Momonosuke is also a Dirty Kid who exploits his apparent innocence to grope Nami and Robin and acts like such a Bratty Half-Pint that most readers/viewers would rather throw him under a bus than respect and sympathize with him. Don't know about this, his negative traits don’t really outweigh what he’s been through.
  • Fujitora is clearly meant as a complex old blind man who sees right through the corrupt Marines and World Government and wishes to reform it completely with his plan. However, his completely passive attitude during the Dressrosa arc, doing nothing while citizens are threatened by Donquixote's bird cage and at one point accidentally crashes a meteorite caused some readers to completely despise him, despite Fujitora having made clear his refusal to act is because he doesn't want the World Government to take the credit for solving a problem caused by its own Warlord system. Not sure about this. The Misaimed Fandom pothole suggests that some people do sympathize with him. It has Weasel Words too.

Characters.One Piece Usopp

• Unwitting Instigator of Doom: He unknowingly plays a part in the "death" of the Straw Hats' old ship, the Going Merry - he spots her Klabautermann, the living personification of a ship that is beloved and well-cared for. Spotting a Klabautermann means that the ship it personifies will be doomed. While the injuries the Going Merry sustained from the Straw Hats' adventures - specifically, her cracked keel, it's Usopp that led to her getting those injuries in the first place, and then to his famous fight with Luffy over the Going Merry's possession.

Something about this doesn't seem right at all. Is it implying that not seeing the Klabautermann would've meant the Merry would've lived? It seems like seeing that ghost would've been inevitable. Even if Usopp didn't see it, then one of the other Straw Hats would've saw it eventually. Plus all the damages have been happening before he saw Merry's Klabautermann in Skypeia.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Feb 20th 2022 at 11:43:49 AM

I want to ask, I just remembered there were some scenes in the Dressrosa arc that were censored in the broadcast versions of Episode 679 and 680 involving the fake Doflamingo's decapitated head that I want to add to Bowdlerise.One Piece. I think it involved some sort of murder in Japan, but I forgot what specifically is was. If anyone could help me find more info on this, it'd be great.

Here's the comparison:

https://youtu.be/LFUsy9EUZr0

EDIT: Also remembered there was some censorship in Thriller Bark earlier that also involved a murder in Japan. Should probably add that too while I’m at it.

EDIT 2: Actually, I found some entries on Distanced from Current Events that solve that mystery for me. Might just make entries for the Bowdlerise page based on them.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Feb 21st 2022 at 7:59:27 AM

Yeah, that's missuse. I'm removing it.

I found this under Characters.One Piece World Government, under the World Nobles.

• Always Chaotic Evil: Almost all the World Nobles are sociopathic jackasses who kick and rape puppies as much as they breath For the Evulz.

Almost is the key word here. If it's almost than it isn't this trope at all. One Piece actually subverts this trope with Doflamingo's family. His father wanted to renounce the title and live among the commoners, even though he and his family ended up paying the price for basically existing. They didn't even do any bad stuff while they were nobles IIRC.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Feb 21st 2022 at 10:12:22 AM

I get a feeling this entry predates the Donquixotes.

Here's another one from the same folder:

• Karma Houdini Warranty: With so many big changes happening in the world along with Joker's predictions and Kaido's plan to unleash a war that he hopes will consume the world, it's beginning to look like the World Nobles' days of sitting in their ivory towers with impunity may be numbered (many fans have pointed out how Mjosgard's actions on Fish-Man Island are similar to how slave owners in pre-Civil War America tried to enforce fugitive slave laws, and everyone knows how that turned out...). This seems to be coming to pass, as Dragon's intention is to directly declare war on them at the Reverie. Doflamingo declares his defeat has begun the last days of the Celestial Dragons.

This is just full of speculative troping and even has something mentioning the fans. I don't think it counts until we see the effects of them suffering. Has this happened in the manga yet?

EDIT: Another one:

• Jerkass: The biggest example so far in the series. Hell, they're less this trope, and more Pure Evil.
  • Their Kick the Dog moments are treated with absolute horror, anger and disgust, they have no empathy to anyone other than themselves and enforce the slave trade which Boa Hancock and Fisher Tiger were victims of. Some of them are downright fucked up, enough to feed little girls Devil Fruits for their own twisted pleasure.
  • They shot kids (very young kids, like ages two and five) just for running past them multiple times, drove a girl to such despair that she went mute and committed suicide not long after leaving their service, gouged out a guy's eyes sorely for entertainment, and have driven countries to starvation thanks to extravagant offerings that kingdoms are forced to give to them.
  • From what was shown of them, Doflamingo's parents, and Mjosgard after his little trip down Fishman Island seem to avert this.

If they're pure evil than it ain't this trope.

I also saw this entry that's quite interesting to me:

• Surprisingly Realistic Outcome: A rare positive example. For all their claims of godhood and their dog-kicking antics, the World Nobles are ultimately people stuck in an extremely toxic environment, bred by an insanely corrupt system. They've only ever known lives where their every whim is catered to and have never had any reason to expect anything less, hence their Culture Blind nature. And since they are human, regardless of what they and others believe, they are capable of change. Some, like Homing, never ascribed to the idea of World Nobles being 'gods', while others, like Mjosgard, had their eyes opened thanks to the kindness shown to them by those who had every right to hate them.

To me, I feel like the World Nobles are a deconstruction of the Hate Sink. They're shown doing heinous acts and hated by all, but because of the World Government supporting them and their privilege at every cause, they have no idea what moral restraint even is. They're also shown to be ultimately human unlike what they or those who hate them think, and when the Donquixotes tried to renounce their royalty and live with everyone else, they got punished for it because even though they saw themselves as human, everyone else did not.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Feb 21st 2022 at 11:18:03 AM

Characters.One Piece Blackbeard

• Karma Houdini: He committed major atrocities over the course of the series (i.e. years of piracy and backstabbing, invading Drum Island, etc.) and somehow managed to not rack up a bounty. It gets even worse later on when he creates one of the greatest battles in history and walks away with everything he wanted without consequence. Of course, as he becomes one of the Four Emperors, it's likely that he'll get one. He did. 2.247 billion berries, an impressive amount even if it is the lowest of the Emperors.

Isn't it way too early to declare him one? The series is still going and he'll probably get his just desserts soon enough.

Agreed with all claims of speculative troping.

I also agree with the Speculative Troping claims; those entries should be removed.

Also, we may need to take a look at the Wham Episode article for any potential problems.

Edited by gjjones on Feb 27th 2022 at 9:30:05 AM

Characters.One Piece Monkey D Luffy

• Bully Hunter: In spite of his adamant claims to not be a hero, Luffy does not gracefully tolerate over-entitled assholes who use their positions and power to flagrantly bully those weaker than they are; he has a particularly sore spot towards Bad Bosses who mistreat loyal employees who they should be taking care of. Doing/being either of the above in front of him is a one way ticket to being pounded into the pavement. Note that this attitude of Luffy's is contagious; associate with him long enough and you will also catch his intolerance towards bullies (as shown with the originally cynical and unfeeling Zoro), even if you were once (working for) a bully yourself.

Bully Hunter requires that the offenders be kids and teens. That makes this misuse since all the antagonists Luffy faces are adults, not to mention it’s not like he actively goes around hunting these people down; he just wants to have an adventure and achieve his dream.

A lot of the examples on BerserkButton.One Piece are reasonable things to get hostile about, such as these general examples:

• As each member of the Straw Hat Pirates has a lifelong ambition, disrespecting these dreams are the easiest way to piss them off.
• The whole Straw Hat Crew: Don't treat people like garbage or that they are somehow beneath you. A good chunk of the crew have suffered this at one time or another and won't tolerate people that act this way. Just ask the World Noble that Luffy sent flying with a punch.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Mar 2nd 2022 at 1:16:05 PM