To-do list: Move examples that fit one of the tropes on the Knife Nut disambiguation page and remove ones that don't, such as characters who wield a knife with no further meaning.
- Knives as a Weapon of Choice: 20/79 or 25%
- Unhinged Knife User: 11/79 or 14%
- Knife Fetishization: 2/79 or 3%
- General Knife Usage: 12/79 or 15%
- ZCE: 24/79 or 30%
- Other: 10/79 or 13%
Besides ZCEs, the most common form of usage is describing a character who uses knives as their Weapon Of Choice. However, this only makes up about a quarter of the overall wick check, and presumably, a quarter of the usage the trope receives. Granted, that's still about 1500 wicks, so that's not too bad- however, I also question the tropeability of a trope that's just "WOC, but with knives". The categories that actually implied something behind the usage, Unhinged and Fetishization, only make up a much smaller percentage, but have tropeworthy meanings behind them and the use of the knives.
Then there's the ZCE...Which leads me to believe this is suffering similar issues that appearance tropes do. That is, people will pothole it and use it without context and without meaning, but "Character Uses a Knife" isn't a trope as much as "Character Is Blonde" isn't a trope.
Some options, not all of them mutually exclusive:
- We could redefine this as "Character uses Knives as a Weapon Of Choice", assuming that's tropeworthy
- We could split off the "Unhinged Knife User" aspect and maybe the "Fetishization" aspect into tropes of their own, or redefine this trope to mean one of those things
- This trope could be cut or disambiged
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 16th 2022 at 6:24:17 AM
I don't mind there being a trope for that. Knife collecting is a big thing for a lot of people and it can be used to show how obsessive a character is.
Macron's notesSomething like Loads And Loads Of Knives?
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessI guess we could file the "other sharp objects" aspect under Tropes Are Flexible, since a character being obsessed with ice picks would probably have the same connotations as someone obsessed with knives.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.An ice pick serial killer (good for poking eyes) is effectively the same as Knife Nut but not using an actual kitchen knife or a dagger. It may be worth appending the description.
A knife collector can be a subtrope to Collector of the Strange, but I'm not sure if it's not too rare with a knife restriction. If there are examples found in wick cleaning they may be fitting Collector of the Strange for now.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupLoads And Loads Of Knives sounds like another name for Storm of Blades.
The Revolution Will Not Be TropeableOk, I created Sandbox.Sneaky Knives and Sandbox.Knife Fetishization as placeholders for those trope concepts for anyone who wants to try to build a draft for TLP.
I wasn't sure about splitting the "knife collecter'' into their own trope so I just grouped them together with the WOC examples
I sorted out everything to Literature, which is partially sorted.
EDIT: I noticed that Gun Nut exists so it might be worth making a knife equivalent because Knife Nut is treated as one on Gun Nut's page. I created Knife Enthusiast to try and catch "knife collector" examples
Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 24th 2022 at 1:58:36 PM
Macron's notesGoing to try to finish sorting this tomorrow so that we can finally move the sandbox over...
Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 4th 2022 at 1:00:13 PM
Macron's notesTriple posting buut I finally separated all of the Weapon Of Choice examples from Sandbox.Psycho Knife Nut and created Psycho Knife Nut (I'll do with the left over examples on the sandbox later) I tagged the discussion page and moved or cut all of the subpage except Quotes.Knife Nut (don't feel like sifting through it right now).
I also took the contents of Sandbox.Sneaky Knives and made a TLP draft of it here
6443 Knife Nut wicks to clean.
Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 5th 2022 at 7:44:58 AM
Macron's notesI'll get the Quotes/ page. I moved the nuttiest ones from Quotes.Knife Nut to Quotes.Psycho Knife Nut. A couple can be retooled into some sneaky knife examples, I'll do that then cut the page.
I turned Psychotic Knife Wielder into a redirect to Psycho Knife Nut since it had a ratio of over 2:1.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Knife Nut wick list: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/relatedsearch.php?term=Main/KnifeNut
Change wicks that are appropriate to Psycho Knife Nut, Devious Daggers, Blade Collector/Enthusiast, or Weapon Of Choice (or some other trope if it comes to mind). Otherwise, cut them.
Edited by Tabs on Mar 10th 2022 at 9:02:45 AM
I rewrote parts of Psycho Knife Nut's description which don't fit anymore. I also think the quote needs to go, since it doesn't really show the "psycho" part and is more about the advantages of knives in general.
Could it go on Devious Daggers instead?
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessWell then what trope name CAN really use to define a character who uses knifves as a weapon in general. They don't have to be psycho, nor do they have to be sly. Just regular people using knives as weapons.
... Weapon Of Choice
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessDoesn't that trope require that the weapons be indicative of their personality, and not just "character uses X weapon"?
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallYeah, you got me there, but that only proves that "character uses weapon" isn't and will never be a trope. (Also I'm tired and sort of forgot that Weapon Of Choice has been decaying this whole time...)
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessI'm pretty tired myself—I slept poorly and found out I have (very mild) COVID today.
Anyway yeah "character uses X weapon" isn't a trope, so there isn't really a place for that kind of thing.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Apr 2nd 2022 at 12:03:13 PM
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallWell, in the user of knives as a weapon, it's sorta Pedestrian Pocketknife or something.
A.k.a if a regular person were to get a weapon, well, they're not wearing swords about town. A swiss army knife or something, though, that's a different sorta beast.
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576That's sort of a different flavor of characterization trope though, as it can symbolize the person being an average joe who's still armed. The question was about examples where someone uses a knife... and that's it.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessWe have Sinister Switchblade, the freshly launched Devious Daggers and TLP'ed Blade Enthusiast and Professional's Combat Knife, so it's not like we're out of options for knife users that aren't crazy.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup- Well, beyond the Armed Average Joe, who else uses knives that we haven't covered?
People don't just start using knives outta nowhere?
Oh, unless it's like just random "This party member uses knives", then I'd say it's like Cast Speciation? Making every party member use a different weapon type?
Edited by Malady on Apr 2nd 2022 at 11:48:36 AM
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576x(idk?) I have Weapon Of Choice on my list for TRS. Wick check is more than half done rn. I think one of the possibilities could be a split between Weapon proves personality and "character prefers weapon for narrative reason" but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
Edited by Hello83433 on Apr 2nd 2022 at 7:27:18 AM
CSP Cleanup Thread | All that I ask for ... is diamonds and dance floorsI think doing a Trope Transplant by moving the current definition to a new name and reusing the name Weapon Of Choice for the latter definition you gave would be ideal (as well as easier) if we do a split. Obviously, we'd cut examples that lack narrative significance and are simply "character X uses weapon Y".
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 2nd 2022 at 5:12:13 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Crown Description:
Consensus was to redefine Knife Nut to refer to unhinged knife users and rename (name would be decided with another crowner), send other tropeworthy concepts to the Trope Idea Salvage Yard, and disambiguate the original name. What should the new name be?
Yeah, any sharp object can be used to stab or slice someone.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness