Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
the Retromancer
The game was released 4 years ago, I don't buy "matter of time" argument when the folder doesn't meet the qualification. I'd rather split off the antagonists since they are in the same faction.
Edited by Amonimus on Mar 19th 2024 at 8:39:20 PM
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Anjail
Didn't someone else already suggest putting some of the antagonists of Persona 5 Strikers in a seperate page since they are around 120,000 characters?
Edited by Naijal on Mar 20th 2024 at 3:07:36 PM
Just a some guy.
Me, I suggested moving the Jail Monarchs to their own page since they take up About 178,922 bytes.
If no one has any objections I could do that.
Edited by taotruths on Mar 20th 2024 at 7:05:30 AM
Anjail
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Just put them on a separate page.
Alright, I'll move Jail Monarchs to a separate page dedicated to them
EDIT: Done.
Edited by taotruths on Mar 20th 2024 at 7:32:04 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Red vs. Blue probably needs work. Dexter can probably be merged with the other Reds; Charon's duo can also probably be merged back.
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So basically, add back Shez, Rhea, Ferdinand, Bernadetta, Sylvain, Ingrid and Lysithea?
Goku Black
Yu-Gi-Oh!: Main Characters (127,809). Yu-Gi-Oh!: Yami Yugi (56,834), Yu-Gi-Oh!: Yami Bakura (45,000), Yu-Gi-Oh!: Seto Kaiba (82,230).
So uh merge back Yugi and Bakura. Keep Kaiba's page?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Probably makes sense ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thumbs_up_emote.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Evil Counterpart for Yami Bakura's name?
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The Following HP characters I think should have there own page -Bellatrix -Mc Gonnigal -Neville -Luna -Ginny -Molly -Mad-Eye
Should I go ahead with this?
I'm not sure any of those characters meet the criteria.
While we're on the subject, thoughts on my (reposted) suggestion below -
Taken another look at Harry Potter:
- Draco Malfoy to merge back into Slytherin (130k total)
- Dolores Umbridge to merge back into Ministry of Magic (163k total)
- Sirius Black to merge back into Marauders (150k total)
- Death Eaters (Inner Circle) to merge back into Death Eaters (220K)
Thoughts?
All those suggestions sound good to me.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Indeed sounds like a good to me.
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I'm too lazy and busy now to make the changes, but Ace Attorney...
- Ace Attorney: Wright Anything Agency can probably take Phoenix and Apollo's pages (under 240k total)
- Ace Attorney: Main Prosecutors can probably take Miles and Franziska's pages (a bit less than total)
- Ace Attorney: Witnesses and Other Characters - Trials and Tribulations can take Dahlia's page (about 110k total)
- Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth can take Ace Attorney Investigations Minor Characters (150k total); Gyakuten Kenji 2 Minor Characters should probably stay by itself (about 137k)
- Everything else is probably fine.
Thanks both - I'll crack on with that shortly
Anjail
I feel that with BlazBlue it would be the easiest to keep the pages of Ragna, Jin, Noel, Hazama, and Terumi, while merging the rest with their game of origin page.
Although Calamity Trigger does need to be split into two character pages. The best way would be to put Rachel, Taokaka, Tager, Litchi and Arakune on the first page. And put Bang, Carl, Hakumen, and Nu on the second page.
The header uses around 1,600 characters.
- BlazBlue: Calamity Trigger (97,594)
- Ragna the Bloodedge (112,416)
- Jin Kisaragi (115,839)
- Noel Vermillion (95,612 with Mu taking around 17,000 to 18,000)
- Rachel Alucard (53,871)
- Litchi Faye-Ling (46,920)
- Bang Shishigami (51,306)
- Hakumen (57,697)
- Nu-13 (49,018 with Juusan taking around 12,000)
- BlazBlue: Continuum Shift (92,607)
- Tsubaki Yayoi (71,446 with Izaiyo taking around 12,000 to 13,000)
- Hazama (79,484)
- Makoto Nanaya (57,044)
- Blaz Blue Chrono Phantasma (153,044)
- Yuuki Terumi (126,858 with Susano'o taking around 36,000)
- BlazBlue: Central Fiction (110,998)
- Nine the Phantom (74,062)
- Izanami (43,005)
Edited by Naijal on Mar 20th 2024 at 9:58:36 AM
Just a some guy.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Don't forget to make the Potter stuff redirects and remove the the byte count and such.
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"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
The Camp Half-Blood Series: Main Characters (175,026 bytes) and The Camp Half-Blood Series: Percy Jackson (60,493 bytes) together 235,519 bytes. Its close like very close and I am unsure.
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thanks mate - I’ve done the merges and Bullman very kindly helped by doing the redirects
Plan for Blaz Blue makes sense
Edited by lexii on Mar 20th 2024 at 8:43:10 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
They can...probably be merged back.
Also, I hate to be that guy, but the character pages for the merged ones should probably be removed from:
- Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore
- Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone
- Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
- Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
- Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
- Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
- Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows
And for, say, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, don't forget to add, Draco to the list of Slytherins along with Crabbe and Goyle.
Edited by ACW on Mar 20th 2024 at 5:00:00 AM
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will do! Thanks for flagging
Edit - done.
Edited by lexii on Mar 20th 2024 at 10:33:39 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Cool. I think the rest of the wicks to those pages are fine as is; they'll just be redirected.
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Characters.Persona 5 Strikers is well over 300k characters & needs to be split; Zenkichi’s folder’s at 38k characters, so it’s really a matter of time. What do?
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