Cleanup Thread: Character Specific Pages

I’m easy on this mate - it does make sense to put Ryu back if Sagat moves - though I take your point that Sagat actually debuted in 1, even if he is probably better known as one the Four Kings.

Edited by lexii on Feb 20th 2024 at 1:49:34 PM

True, they're close enough to where a duo page of the both of them would make sense.

So I suppose our decision depends on if we decide to move Sagat into the "Four Kings" page or not. If we don't, we can go with the Ryu & Ken duo page. If we do, we just move Ryu and Ken back to Street Fighter.

Edited by IronBlock2 on Feb 20th 2024 at 5:53:36 AM

Tbf, the Four Kings are a recurring group throughout the series.

...Wait where does F.A.N.G. fall in there?-

Edited by IkeaHan on Feb 20th 2024 at 6:04:52 AM

Oh, I've never checked out Street Fighter V so I didn't know F.A.N.G. was considered one of the Four Kings. In that case maybe he could go on that page as well, and we just name it "Street Fighter: The Four Kings" as a general group page non-specific to any game?

Street Fighter The Four Kings

Holding off on FANG for just a bit until some more consensus is reached there.

This is what I have planned for the updated guidelines on Character Specific Pages:

Requirements for a Character-Specific Page; these must be followed to create a new page:

• The character's page is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero Context Examples, removing outdated/misused tropes, and making sure all tropes listed fall under Characters and its related indexes (exceptions can be discussed).
• The page is at least 6,000 words/40,000 written characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter. Once a new Character-Specific Page has been created, be sure to add its byte count to this page. The page it's split off from should reach the same minimum count.
• The steps for splitting and creating character pages (as written below) must be followed.

Here are the steps for splitting character pages:

1. If the page has reached past or is close to reaching 250,000 written characters^note "written characters" is what we will use to refer the unit of measurement for a page (this can be seen on the bottom left of the edit page in green), permission is given to split. If not, no split is needed.
   Example: The Character Page for Alice Vs. Bob is over 250k written characters; this page should be split into smaller pages.
2. The first goal should be to split the page into smaller sections (i.e. sorting characters alphabetically, by group, or suchlike)
   Example: Several character folders fall under the group "Team Alice" and form the biggest portion of the page. A new page can be made called "Alice Vs. Bob: Team Alice" where these folders will a be moved.
3. If Step. 2 has been attempted, and there are no other practical solutions (e.g. in a situation where an already-split page also inflates beyond the 250k byte count) then splitting out a high-byte-count character (40k bytes+) into a CSP is the solution.
   Example: Team Alice's page has reached the 250k count. Alice's folder is the biggest one on the page, and it meets the other qualifiers for a CSP as seen below. A new page can be made called "Alice Vs. Bob: Alice" where this folder will go.

Edited by IkeaHan on Feb 20th 2024 at 11:02:52 AM

perfect

Four Kings look great - though can I be a pest and suggest that the order is Balrog, vega, Sagat, Bison - in the iconic order in which they are fought? I think FANG should remain in V as he’s far more associated with that arc overall (for now in any case).

And I suggest that Ryu and Ken drop back into 1 if we’re going this route.

Edited by lexii on Feb 20th 2024 at 6:45:29 PM

(x4) Only one minor grammatical change on that last requirement, should be "as seen above" instead of "as seen below". Otherwise I don't have much else to suggest.

I'll also go ahead and post the remaining One Piece Character-Specific Pages to merge back. I'll start with the easiest ones:

• One Piece: Boa Hancock - 72,752 bytes (To merge back into One Piece: Kuja which has 48,552 bytes)
• One Piece: Charlotte Katakuri - 93,577 bytes (To merge back into One Piece: Sweet 3 Generals which has 44,701 bytes)
• One Piece: Blackbeard - 68,733 bytes (To merge back into One Piece: Blackbeard Pirates which has 75,182 bytes)
• One Piece: Bartholomew Kuma - 59,413 bytes (To merge back into One Piece: Seven Warlords of the Sea which has 90,911 bytes)
• One Piece: Kaido - 87,523 bytes (Merge into One Piece: Lead Performers which has 94,984 bytes and rename that page into "Kaido and Lead Performers".)
• One Piece: Kurozumi Orochi - 59,549 bytes (To merge back into One Piece: Wano which has 168,598 bytes. If that would cause the page to be too big then I'd recommend creating a page for the Kurozumi Clan and placing Orochi there.)
• One Piece: Buggy - 57,865 bytes (The page he'd be put into, One Piece: Blue Seas, is already at 223,862 bytes. Solution is to split the East Blue Pirates into their own page named "East Blue Pirate Crews" and place Buggy there.)
• One Piece: Charlotte Pudding - 54,138 bytes (Can't directly merge her back to One Piece: Big Mom Pirates as it has 222,852 bytes, so a group split would be required. I suggest giving the Officers their own page and moving Pudding there, those are 151k. Snack could be moved to the Sweet Generals page to give the Officers page some breathing room.)

The next ones I'd propose would be more complicated to re-merge and probably would need some discussion:

• One Piece: Kozuki Oden - 109,046 bytes (Base page would be One Piece: Wano - Kozuki Clan And Allies at 161,117 bytes, so a group split would be required. Maybe the Akazaya Nine could have their own page instead, as they have 84,666 bytes together? I consider this one more complicated due to the sheer size of Oden's page.)
• One Piece: Donquixote Doflamingo - 129,069 bytes (Same issue as Oden. Base page would be One Piece: Donquixote Pirates at 167,446 bytes. The largest possible group to split from that page would be the Elite Officers at 79,659 bytes, but no matter where Doflamingo goes that page will be 200-210k bytes easily. Another possible alternative could be creating a page called the 'Donquixote Family' to contain all the Donquixote Family members, that would be under 200k bytes.)
• One Piece: Eustass Kid - 54,507 bytes AND One Piece: Trafalgar Law - 106,318 bytes (I'm tackling both at the same time because my suggestion would be to merge both into a single page along with their crews, named "Major Supernova Crews". Their crews are fairly small, the combined page would be less than 191k bytes in total.)
• One Piece: Nami - 83,631 bytes, One Piece: Usopp - 68,034 bytes, One Piece: Tony Tony Chopper - 46,607 bytes AND One Piece: Nico Robin - 70,649 bytes (I propose splitting the Straw Hat crew into "Nami and Usopp" and "Paradise Straw Hats". Paradise would have everyone from Chopper to Brook. I'm avoiding Jinbe because that would boost the latter page to 230k bytes.)
• One Piece: Roronoa Zoro - 90,006 bytes (He's the reason why I proposed putting Nami and Usopp into "Nami and Usopp" instead of "East Blue Straw Hats". If all three were together, that page would be 230-240k bytes. Zoro could probably just be merged back to the main Straw Hat Pirates page, which would be 100k with everyone else besides Jinbe moved out.)

And here's all the pages I'm certain can't be re-merged:

• One Piece: Monkey D. Luffy - 269,107 bytes (He's already past 250k by himself)
• One Piece: Sanji - 149,918 bytes (No situation where he doesn't push a page near or past 250k)
• One Piece: Big Mom - 170,874 bytes (Adding her to any other page with her crew puts it past 250k)

I think as a rule of thumb, the majority of characters above like 80-100k are probably safe to remain, with exceptions based on the size of their page of origin. As you said, re-merging them would absolutely start breaching the limit again which we don't want. Though with clean up on the writing itself, that could perhaps change things.

• IMO a Nami and Usopp page seems like an awkward grouping; I feel like there's an arbitrary association being made between the two.
• "Major Supernovas" would get tricky because those characters weave in an out of the spotlight, and there's no telling how the captains and crews will each develop from here on out. So I think we'll have to reevaluate that page further.
• I think the chances are that Doffy would probably stay just from how massive his page is.

Edited by IkeaHan on Feb 20th 2024 at 11:31:20 AM

Current proposal for SF rework; will definitely need some more deliberating:

• Street Fighter^note Retsu, Geki, Lee, Gen, Birdie, Eagle, Joe, Mike, Adon, (69,192)
  • Street Fighter Ryu And Ken (110,379; merge back?)
• Street Fighter II ^note E. Honda, Blanka, Guile, Chun-Li, Zangief, Dhalsim (146,059 bytes)
  • Street Fighter The Four Kings ^note Sagat, Balrog, Vega, M. Bison (122,694 )
  • Street Fighter II: Updated Versions^note T. Hawk, Fei Long, Dee Jay, Cammy, Akuma, Violent Ken (124,013 bytes)
• Street Fighter Alpha ^note Charlie Nash, Guy, Sodom, Rose, Dan (123,056 bytes)
  • Street Fighter Alpha Updated Versions ^note Sakura, Rolento, Evil Ryu, R. Mika, Cody, Karin, Juni and Juli, Maki, Ingrid (105,734)
• Street Fighter III^note Alex, Dudley, Yun and Yang, Ibuki, Necro, Sean, Oro, Elena, Gill, Hugo, Urien, Remy, Q, Makoto, Twelve (205,533)
• Street Fighter IV^note C. Viper, Abel, El Fuerte, Rufus, Gouken, Seth, Juri, Hakan, Oni, Poison, Decapre (179,576 bytes)
• Street Fighter V^note Necalli, Rashid, Laura, F.A.N.G., Kolin, Ed, Abigail, Menat, Zeku (176,333)
  • Street Fighter V: Updated Versions^note Falke, G, Kage, Lucia, Akira, Eleven, Luke (97,535)
• Street Fighter 6^note Jamie, Kimberly, Marisa, Manon, JP, Lily, A.K.I. (135,428)
• Street Fighter EX^note Hokuto/Shirase, C. Jack, D. Dark, Skullomania, Pullum, Allen, Blair, Kairi, Darun, Garuda, Shirase/Bloody Hokuto, Cycloid-β and Cycloid-γ, Hayate, Nanase, Sharon, Shadowgeist, Area, V. Rosso, Ace, Hayate II, Terry (68,755)
• Other Characters (Part 1) (83,339)
• Other Characters (Part 2) (104,353)
• Other Media (36,826 )

Very minor note but why is Ingrid way over in the "other media" folder and not with the Alpha cast? Since that is technically a mainline playable appearance, I think it would be fine to put her there instead of making a redirect that sends ppl to the spinoff folders.

Edited by IkeaHan on Feb 20th 2024 at 11:59:45 AM

Ingrid was created for Capcom Fighting All-Stars, not for Alpha itself.

Doing the math for Helluva Boss

• Stolas's page is 64,166 bytes (not including the navigation header)
• While his parent folder: Helluva Boss: Goetia Royalty is 65,855 bytes

Adding them together makes 130,021 bytes

Should I merge Stolas back? Or keep his page the way it is?

I'm leaning on the former currently because the gap between episodes is very long so probably won't have that many new tropes for him yet.

I'd merge it back, yeah

All Street Fighter looks good mate. Ryu and Ken should merge back into 1, as that page can accommodate them easily in line with our new guidance. All else is spot on

Agree with bwBurke94 that Ingrid stays put for the reason they’ve given.

Edited by lexii on Feb 21st 2024 at 8:13:35 PM

Should we still keep the shared tropes folder between the two? I think given that they're the protags of the very first game, it would seem less weird. And it would clear up a lot of redundant examples split between them.

sorry, does this refer to SF?

Ah shoot, yeah you're right. Sorry.

Ok brill, sounds good

If you’d like us to pull together the key reasoning to help set the scene, let us know (there’s a few pages of chat!)

Edited by lexii on Feb 21st 2024 at 8:29:55 PM

good thing we didn't start merging too many pages

Does someone have a wiki talk they can link here already?

I couldn't find one. It would probably be best to start a new one.