Cleaning Up Needless References To Reviewers

Cutthroat Island:

Tookthe Bad Film Seriously: Both the My Year Of Flops review and The Nostalgia Chick review credit Frank Langella for trying his best to save the movie despite a conspicuous lack of effort from everyone else (including the very leads, who reportedly got tired of the film due to its hellish production). Of course, to hear Langella tell it, he wasn't trying to save the movie... he was just having a fantastic time playing pirates.

Could probably just cut down the first bit to "Critics/Reviewers credit..."

I think that's a lateral change. Naming them is a minor part of the entry and enforces multiple specific people have this opinion.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

From YMMV.Pokemon Colosseum.

• Complacent Gaming Syndrome: To quote Chuggaaconroy, Colosseum has limited options. There are a little over 50 Shadow Pokémon and a lot of them aren't particularly powerful. While they're still perfectly useable, most players prefer to just run with teams consisting of one or both starter Eeveelutions, Makuhita/Hariyama, a Johto starter (usually not Bayleef), and any or all of the Legendary Beasts since they're far more powerful than most of the Pokémon the game has to offer. Flaafy/Ampharos, Quagsire, and Vibrava/Flygon are also frequent choices.

The first sentence is such a generic observation that it seems incredibly superfluous to attribute it as a Chugga quote. If it was a colorful metaphor I wouldn't strictly mind, but this seems like it's there just to shill him.

Edited by Karxrida on Jul 16th 2022 at 12:10:03 PM

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

Yeah, you can probably remove that.

Thoughts on this entry from FranchiseOriginalSin.Star Wars?:

• In his review, Marcus of The Cosmonaut Variety Hour states that the biggest mistake that Revenge of the Sith makes is splitting up the Bash Brothers team of Anakin and Obi-Wan, right when we finally get to watch the two properly working together and being genuinely companionable as friends in their prime. He admits that splitting up characters in the first two prequel films was also a problem, but in Revenge, it's even more noticeable because the opening scene spoils the audience with their amazing chemistry only to immediately take it away. Furthermore, splitting up characters with great chemistry has been a problem since at least The Empire Strikes Back. In that film, Luke splits off from the rest of the team, thus removing the The Hero/The Lancer dynamic that worked so well in A New Hope; but it was forgiven in that movie because it allowed us to witness Luke's training with Yoda (who became another memorable character) and gave Han and Leia a chance to fall in love. Return of the Jedi then repeated the same problem. While this decision was complained about at the time (most people felt the Endor scenes were entirely unnecessary and that Han should have been flying the Falcon in the space battle), few fans could argue that watching Luke confront Vader and Palpatine wasn't what they'd been waiting for. Again, this problem was simply more noticeable in Revenge because the splitting-up had no satisfying payoff, unlike its predecessors.

Edited by costanton11 on Jul 17th 2022 at 9:34:05 AM

Isn't the whole point of the film that the split faciliates Anakin losing it in the later half because his close friend wasn't their to pull him back.

How would that work with what's being suggested here?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

I suggest taking it to the complaining thread for a clean-up. It needs more than just removing a reviewer mention.

Bringing up the following examples from Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer:

• Ass Pull: Johnny using all the Fantastic Four's powers against Dr. Doom is this. Throughout the movie, Johnny is able to power-switch due to his first encounter with Silver Surfer messing with the cells of his body. This rule is completely broken for the final battle against Doom where after Johnny absorbs the powers of his teammates, he gets to keep his fire powers for no justifiable reason whatsoever.
  Mike Nelson: Wait, I'm confused. Before, they traded powers. Now he gets to keep all their powers and his??

• They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: The Galactus storyline is easily the most famous Fantastic Four story, with the wedding of Reed and Sue close behind it. Thanks to rights issues, Special Effects Failure, and a weak script, neither story is done full justice. Neal Adams famously said that he knew the film would flop when he heard it would focus more on the Silver Surfer and barely feature Galactus, because one didn't really function without the other.

I don't think either of those mentions really add anything. I say cut.

Bringing up the following example from Parrot Exposition:

• Prince of Space is riddled with this. (To the point of being an alternate Trope Namer: Prince of Space Sir)
  Phantom of Krankor: Prepare to leave Krankor.
  Scientist: What's that?
  Phantom of Krankor: Prepare to leave. Each of you will enter a space capsule.
  Scientist: What?
  Tom Servo: For crying out loud... EACH! OF! YOU! WILL! ENTER! A! SPACE! CAPSULE!

Remove the quote in parentheses, the MST 3 K quote and then comment it out, since it's a zero-context example without much of it.

Bringing up the following example from Audience-Alienating Ending:

• Game of Thrones has a particularly disappointing final season, even compared to the previous mixed three seasons. Low points include the anticlimactic battle with the Night King and his forces in Episode 3, a confrontation that had been built up since the start of the story, Rhaegal suddenly killed off to artificially inflate Cersei's threat, Jaime declaring he never cared about the innocents and going off to Cersei, Daenerys Jumping Off the Slippery Slope and torching King's Landing, thereby doing what the Mad King would have done if Jaime hadn't killed him, and Bran being king because he had the 'best story'. Said developments sapped many people's interest in the show, and some only continued to see how badly it might turn out. Beth Elderkin at i09 noted that "It's kind of amazing how one of the biggest shows of the 21st century is now just something that happened", with merchandising, cosplay, etc. virtually vanishing in a few weeks.

Honestly I think the reference is fine to keep with this one. It even notes its a widespread thing

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

I dunno, the example does work fine without the reviewer.

I kind of feel like that quote would be more appropriate for a Condemned by History example^note not that Game of Thrones counts for that since rather than "it was never good" the consensus is that it was good until the showrunners ran out of source material and had to come up with stuff on their own. It's a little weaker here.

I think you can keep the quote and link. It's not one opinion, but an article backing up the claim by discussing the entire fandom, giving more credibility.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 21st 2022 at 4:28:41 AM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

From YMMV.Dragons Lair:

• Memetic Mutation: Thanks to The Nostalgia Critic, we have "why did Beethoven suddenly turn into Elton John?"

Did this ever really catch on? As the pot hole acknowledges, it seems hard to use in multiple contexts.

From SequelDisplacement.Video Games:

• The first Megami Tensei game released in North America was the obscure Jack Bros., for the even more obscure Virtual Boy. In fact, the game is so rare, it's the only Virtual Boy game The Angry Video Game Nerd doesn't own, out of his whole North American library of VB games. Apparently it isn't worth Jack shit, either. Quite ironically, in contrast to what the Angry Video Game Nerd has said, it's considered to be the second best Virtual Boy game on the handheld (the best game being Virtual Boy Wario Land) and collectors are willing to pay hefty fee for it (around $200, approximately). He did get his hands on it and updated the review to conclude that it was fine, held back only by being on the Virtual Boy, but never touches on the fact that the Three Jack Brothers are from the SMT series and treats them as their own characters, causing his audience to miss on being exposed to an extensive franchise. (Persona 3 and 4 were just only starting to get more mainstream attention when he released the video.)

This seems unnecessary.

Right, I think there's a way to rewrite that so it's not relying on AVGN Fan Myopia.

Edited by MisterApes-a-lot on Jul 22nd 2022 at 10:05:26 AM

I don't even remember that line from the review, let alone as a meme.

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness

From YMMV.The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword.

• Base-Breaking Character:
  • Fi. Is she a helpful and cute companion with an awesome voice? Or is she a bland Captain Obvious who's almost as bad as Navi, if not worse? Some such as Chuggaaconroy and TB Skyen Take a Third Option, liking her as a character while still considering her a Scrappy Mechanic after a while. By the end of the game, though, a lot of people who didn't like her come around because of her sacrifice. One particularly divisive moment is in the Sandship, where she reveals that you can shoot through the vents to reach the giant Timeshift stone. Fans are divided on whether this is the absolute example of handholding, ruining what could have been a particularly clever puzzle, or a completely necessary hint for what would otherwise be a completely unintuitive solution, as well as a justifiable way of preparing the player for a later puzzle that subverts that solution. Much of the reason comes down to her having to compare to the prior console-Zelda Exposition Fairy Midna, who had a very charismatic personality and involved character arc, which set a bit of a high bar.

• Scrappy Mechanic:
  • If you were annoyed by the redundant dialogue boxes you'd get for picking up Rupees in Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword makes things even worse. Every time you pick up a bug or treasure that you haven't yet collected during your current play session, not only does the game take the time to explain to you what it is, but also pauses and opens up your inventory so that it can show you your total count being updated before letting you resume play. And while you can at least bypass this by collecting these items with the Beetle, doing so is hardly convenient enough to be a worthy or useful alternative. During Chuggaaconroy's Let's Play of this game he got so annoyed by the redundant item explanations he actually started a counter to keep track of how many he got during his playthrough. The final count was over 200 times. This mechanic was so infamous that one of the trailers Nintendo released for the HD Switch remaster specifically points out that it was removed.

The Scrappy Mechanic example might be worth keeping the Chuggaa reference as is, but the references to him and some other dude for Base-Breaking Character are incredibly pointless.

Edited by Karxrida on Jul 23rd 2022 at 5:05:15 AM

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

Cut out the names of reviewers.

Bringing up the following example from Recap.Star Trek Voyager S 5 E 17 Course Oblivion:

• Message in a Bottle: The crew of the biomimetic copy of Voyager try to send one in the form of a probe to the real Voyager in the case that they don't survive their journey home to the Demon-class planet, but unfortunately it's destroyed before it can be launched.
  SF Debris: And that's all she wrote for...all they wrote.

You can cut that quote.