Wild Mass Cleanup

To be fair, I'd like to think that Puffy Fluffy somehow hypnotized SpongeBob when he first saw him at the pet store, explaining his behavior to Gary. So that might add that to the main page, after I cut the Seasonal Rot page of course.

Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!

I suggest mentioning in the cutlist reason that in addition to the whole page being complaining incarnate, several WMG entries are ROCEJ violations (i.e. "They are deliberately trying to get the show cancelled" and "The post-Seasonal Rot episodes and their decline in quality are part of a ruse by Nickelodeon").

Found a questionable entry on ReBoot:

All the Executive Meddling ABC did to ReBoot was an attempt to force the show to fail and kill the medium before Follow the Leader took effect and spawned a wave of CGI shows that would replace traditional Western Animation. While ReBoot survived the meddling, ABC succeeded in preventing Follow the Leader and delayed the wave of CGI shows for about a decade. ABC's motive for this was to maintain the Animation Age Ghetto by preserving the Status Quo of Western Animation.

• Mainframe also ended up making Beast Wars only a few years later in syndication, which helped popularize the idea of an all CGI animated series and led to the boom in CGI animation that persists to this day. With Beast Wars they still had Executive Meddling to deal with, but it seems almost kind and good-natured compared to some of the hoops Reboot had to go through, and most of that was because there was franchise history and continuity to deal with rather than outright censorship.

Pretty sure we don't allow meta.

Some from Oggy and the Cockroaches:

Naturally.

• Jack: becomes much more famous in what he does more than caring the life of Oggy, and will be subjected to torment by the very thing he becomes successful at.
• Joey: he's the one who tries, tests, and torments other characters.
• Oggy: sent to an Ironic Hell to being the lazy bum that he is. He is forever lazy and never be satisfied.
• Bob: his anger has lead him to be subjected to every torment that Oggy, Jack, and the cockroaches throw at him.

Maybe fine, but the pothole to Everyone Is Jesus in Purgatory is misuse.

They look very similar, and it makes a very good Fanfic Fuel. "Very good Fanfic Fuel" feels like natter, and it is very weak in general.

Both shows are property of Xilam, sharing identical animation styles. Both have characters who rarely use dialogue. Pretty damn weak. Also, it's called art style.

Really, think about it! I am pretty sure "think about it" is not allowed.

Edited by Delibirda on Jul 1st 2021 at 6:41:37 PM

"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”

A Wild Mass Guess shouldn't be removed just because it has been confirmed/disproven. WMG entries are usually removed because they are one or more of the following:

• Badly written.
• Meta; related not to the work itself, but to things outside the work (such as the creators, the fandom, or controversies surrounding them or the work).
• Excessive in natter and/or complaining.
• ROCEJ violations.
• P5 violations.

Edited by Shadow8411 on Jul 1st 2021 at 9:03:44 AM

Found this on Eliot Kid:

...either a delusional serial killer or a french version of Christian Weston Chandler. Even then, becoming a serial killer is still better than becoming Christian Chandler. It is possible that Eliot will wind up becoming the latter, since the two share a lot of similar aspects (they are not exactly social, they want to get a pretty girl, they are disliked, they have neglectful parents, they think they are always right, they have an imaginary world in which they are heroes, they suffer from mental illnesses, they wear a striped shirt and never seem to change it...)

Just burn that.

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Done.

Not sure if this fits here, but can I add folders on Fate/Grand Order's WMG?

When its latest chapter (Lostbelt 6) concluded in JP, I decided to go on the WMG to see if there were any new theories added. However, it has gotten quite big to the point it's somewhat a hassle to find a specific theory, especially on mobile, though scrolling all the way down will help you find the latest ones. The page doesn't have folders, but IMO it probably needs some.

I mean it eventually ended, plus it seems to lean on Fan Myopia, so cut it.

Edited by Cutegirl920fire on Aug 15th 2021 at 3:19:59 AM

Victor of HGS S320 | "There's rosemary, that's for remembrance. Pray you, love, remember."

This was on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.:

Because if it were canceled, the ABC execs would be flayed alive by the combined angry mobs of Marvel fans and Joss Whedon cultists.

• Marvel has announced that they've already worked out an outline for where they want the show to go all the to the end of Season three, despite not yet getting a green light for filming season two yet. Given the people making the show and the network that airs it are all under the same company Disney may be more forgiving so the series may be able to float on low ratings for longer than most shows that are run.
• Near the end of season 2 it looks very likely that they will receive a third season, as well as a spin-off.

Reviving this thread to bring attention to my concerns about the FGO WMG page here.

Victor of HGS S320 | "There's rosemary, that's for remembrance. Pray you, love, remember."

Do we allow predictions on these pages?

"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”

I mean, that's half of what WMG is used for.

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As you'd expect, WMG.Peppa Pig has many troll entries.

For every low there is a high.

Choice entries:

• Everyone on the show is a pothead.
• Daddy Pig is going to snap and murder his family (despite this being a show for pre-schoolers).
• Mr. Potato is actually Jimmy Savile in disguise.

Two things to note. One, the Mr Potato entry was added by a troper who was suspended for many issues. Two, another troper has added a You Have GOT to Be Kidding Me! reaction to multiple entries and called them stupid.

I mean, I personally don't see an issue with troll entries (the rules for WMG are very loose), but those are a little much.

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Well shit someone beat me to that page.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Dec 10th 2021 at 4:06:16 PM

Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!

This entry on WMG.Spider Man No Way Home seems to have sniping at each other and based on someone disliking the ending:

Peter has several things that can easily kill him now, ranging from homelessness to mental trauma and recklessness. Peter 3 mentions at one point how he was using more unhinged and violent tactics in his efforts due to Gwen's death, and his being dragged into the MCU effectively stopped him. But there's nothing stopping this Peter from going too far and getting himself killed trying who-knows-what. As for which Peter this will be, it will likely be one who still has Aunt May and gets fed up with a minor issue at school, taking the chance to enter through the multiversal rift with one of the villains and bringing along Aunt May for the ride. From here, Spidey will discover the truth about this universe and try all he can to help get his life back, which likely starts with Happy meeting May and believing she never died, setting the stage for everything to eventually be returned to the status quo around Far From Home sans Mysterio.

• Not sure if that'd be a good idea.
• Given that this would basically be two giant middle fingers to everyone who liked No Way Home, this is an extremely improbable idea. Why would they set up an all but completely clean slate for where they can take Peter in the future, only to backtrack in such a drastic way? Plus, the "new" Peter and May just up and abandoning their home, responsibilities, and friends for a petty reason would likely make them come across as unlikable.
  • It is NOT a clean slate. If it were, Spidey himself would forget everything that happened as well except for the fact that he's Spider-Man. Plus, I liked the movie, I just hated its ending, and if this were to play out, it would simply serve as a Surprisingly Realistic Outcome as far as Peter's situation and trauma goes. And maybe Peter and May would regret getting worked up over whatever the issue is, but by the time they realize it, they'd be too engrossed in their positions in the universe to go back if an opportunity opened up for them to do so.
  • I said "all but completely", dude. Also, you're misusing the Surprisingly Realistic Outcome trope. Yes, Garfield's Peter said he got more grim and unhinged, but that obviously didn't result in his death. But I think you're missing what I was trying to convey earlier, because this isn't about me outright hating your idea, but not seeing why Watts or Feige or whoever would kill off the Peter we've gotten to see develop. I get why you want this, but I don't see why they'd be inclined to want it.
    • Dear God, man. For one, Peter 3 was only stopped from getting himself killed because he was dragged out of his universe-he was one mission short of doing so. He may or may not have used MJ to get over Gwen and dialed back his tactics in his universe. But that doesn't matter too much - what's really important is that Peter, for all he's been through, is NOT immune to the effects of mental health damage. Being roped into an international world superhero conflict, realizing the man you've idolized for so many years is a big jerk, losing your homecoming dance and the girl you wanted to take because you took down her supervillian father, dying in front of your idol who eventually came around to treating you better, being brought back and realizing 5 years have passed since then, going on a disasterous field trip that ends with you being framed and your identity revealed, and to top it off, losing everything and everyone you've ever loved- all while you're a TEENAGER- HAS to mentally damage you enough to make you take extreme nihilistic measures. That's pretty realistic to me, and this making Peter losing whatever development he went through is too. So...what's the point of continuing to follow this Peter if he doesn't end up coming out the better of it after all? I'm just sick and tired of everyone believing Spidey's superpowers extend to an ability to suppress his mental trauma and will always keep pressing on no matter what happens, because the other recurring theme throughout his franchise is that he's human. Just. Like. Us.
    • Okay...take a damn chill pill. No one, absolutely no one, claimed Peter was immune to poor mental health. The response you're railing against isn't some proclamation that Peter's immune to mental health issues, but a person legitimately question why the creative would ever do such a thing. Now you're just making stuff up because no where in the film is it explicitly stated that Garfield's Peter was about to get killed due to poor mental health driving him to suicidal actions. Heck, that he recognized his struggles so well suggests he was already making efforts to move past the dark period he was talking about. He wasn't telling Holland's Peter he was doomed. Also, it's honestly kind of appalling that you're continually equating suffering from things like depression with being destined to get killed unless some magical outside force stops it. Look I'm sorry that people dared to question your precious theory that they'd kill off the main character between movies because having trauma means Peter is now incapable of growing as a character, but give it a freaking rest. Besides, if they did have to kill Peter between movies for some reason, they'd probably use it as a springboard to introduce Miles Morales.
• This is way too complicated of a way to revert Peter's character development. And fan reactions would be enormously and deservedly negative, considering the large amount of potential within the MCU that Spidey has now after No Way Home. So no thank you.
• Wouldn't the other Peter still have to deal with MJ and Ned not knowing who he is? And Happy wouldn't forget that May died just because he met another version of her. If anything, he might think he's gone insane.
  • Happy never saw May die, nor did he see her body afterwards. He was given a look by Peter which passively let him know what happened. But after he sees May alive again, he'll think back and probably start to believe Peter was just frustrated about having lost another home. And Peter's social skills are more than good enough for him to be able to easily refriend them again and build their trust quickly enough to re-reveal his secret; he'll have little trouble doing it again since he's done it before.
    • Happy being gaslit to believe that Peter was crying about property destruction instead his aunt's harrowing death. Just a little bit of a reach, sorry.
• Spider-Man (the general character) is no stranger to the Trauma Conga Line, but he's also always been idealistic in the face of the bullshit he has to shoulder. Thinking this Spider-Man, a particularly beloved incarnation, mind, that people want to see be happy, won't be able to pick up the pieces even a little bit and would just die seems to be missing the point of Spider-Man. That's not event taking into consideration that there's the possibility the spell might be able to be broken in MJ and Ned's case.
  • It's made pretty clear that in spite of Strange having warmed up to Peter, he wants nothing more to do with him because he now has to worry about Wanda, Mordo, and the Multiverse, so Peter won't go running back to him to try this. And being completely alone, I see no possible way Peter can make the best of it, because there's simply nothing to make.
    • First of all, there is absolutely NOTHING in the film or other supplemental material as of now that implies Strange personally wants nothing more to do with Peter. And secondly, yes, while the situation Peter is in by the end of the film is absolutely crushing, we never see him give up. We already see him try and persevere through those hardships through getting his own apartment, studying for his GED for college (where we KNOW will give him new friends to lean on), and continuing on as Spider-Man as in spite of everything he's gone through, he upholds the values his aunt, uncle, and mentors taught him. THAT's Peter Parker, that's SPIDER-MAN. And it would be an absolute travesty and just a terrible message to give to young impressionable audiences who look up to the character if this "theory" comes true.
  • Also having this Spider-Man react to his situation so poorly would mean the lessons and wisdom the older Spider-Men imparted fell on deaf ears.
    • Except those older Spider-Mens' lives aren't anywhere near as bad as this one. For Peter 2, Harry is dead and May may have passed on as well (she was in her 70s in 2007 and the movie is 17 years after that), but he's in a perfect marriage to MJ and Spider-Man is going great for him-it's almost certain that he's managed to move on. Peter 3, on the other hand, may still be struggling with Gwen and Harry's death, but at least he still has his Aunt May. Peter 1 has nobody and nothing. I don't even imagine Spider-Man has any value to him anymore.
    • Making his new suit he is still soldiering on in his own universe and it is a fresh start and it’s not like he can’t rebuild his life for, the ground up. He still has his intelligence and skills who has been able to work with Stark tech before. Plus not only would this seem like a bad call for those who loved NWH but it would mean haphazardly killing off the Peter fans have grown to know for 6 movies and then replacing him with a similar but ultimately not the same stranger for a not so good reason.
    • Spider-Man clearly still has value to him because he made a brand new suit and continued on as Spider-Man.

I don't remember the name, but there was someone brought up on ATT with a single-issue wonk for claiming the ending was not merely an Esoteric Happy Ending but an outright death sentence for Peter - that seems like their work. I think they wound up getting banned over it, so I'd personally be in favor of axing that entire thing, but honestly WMG isn't my thing so I'm not sure if the rules allow that.

I'd appreciate mod feedback on this one, TBH.

You're thinking of Jumbo J 99, who did indeed push for it to be considered an Esoteric Happy Ending.

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If you remember the name, do you remember if they were actually banned, then? I think they were, but it might just be that it's what I expected to happen based off their general behavior.

(I'd also, again, like mods to weigh in on whether someone being banned for Single-Issue Wonk issues is justification for removing WMGs that exemplify those issues.)

They were suspended for edit warring over a different EsotericHappyEnding entry. After being released, that's when they started posting about No Way Home, but after the thump they stopped posting about it. They've edited as recently as today, so they weren't re-suspended. A look into the WMG page history confirms that they were definitely the one arguing in that WMG example.

As an aside, their troper page is in the wrong namespace (Troper/, not Tropers/), and they have a rather unsettling YMMV page for themselves using a NRLEP trope to boot. I might take it to ATT because...what?

Edited by WarJay77 on Feb 7th 2022 at 1:02:18 PM

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What should be done with the example?

I'd cut it personally, but we still need more discussion about it.

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Maybe ask the people in the ATT thread to come here?