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This is a thread to discuss those Administrivia pages in need of a little updating- you know the ones. The ones that still cite rules we've long since changed, or the ones that don't properly cite our current standards. Some of them are even scattered in Main/!

So, this is the place to take those pages and fix them up with the help of the community.

For a list of current projects, see Outdated Administrivia Pages.

Note: This thread is not for asking mods to make one-off edits to Locked Pages, Administrivia-related or otherwise, such as requesting additions to an Example Sectionectomy index. Please use this thread for that.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 21st 2023 at 9:12:02 AM

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
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#2901: Apr 21st 2024 at 1:52:08 AM

Proposed wording for that How Crowners Work update, replacing the current "Usage outside of TRS and IP" section:


Usage outside of TRS and IP

Moderators can hook crowners on any thread, including those outside of IP or TRS. Sometimes crowners are used in other subforums, normally so that votes don't have to be counted manually.

Depending upon the purpose of these crowners, they may have different requirements to the generic Workshop crowners. Crowners in other subforums are typically accompanied by an Ask The Tropers post to draw attention to the vote.

However, there are also some scenarios where we actively avoid crowners. These are often cases where we prefer to avoid anonymous voting. Crowners are not used for:

  • Proposed examples for the Magnificent Bastard and Complete Monster tropes. These tropes use a forum thread approval process, with manual voting to minimise misuse. Votes are not anonymous.
  • Trope Launch Pad (TLP), which has its own system of hats and bombs. Hats and bombs, which aren't anonymous, are used to determine whether or not a new trope is ready to launch. TLP may still use crowners for other questions, such as trope name choices.
  • The Content Violation Discussions (CVD) sub-forum. CVD does not use crowners or anonymous voting. These decisions need to be based on The Content Policy, not popularity.

How's that look?

Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 21st 2024 at 9:57:42 AM

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#2906: Apr 21st 2024 at 5:53:43 AM

Looks fine to me.

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
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#2907: Apr 21st 2024 at 6:02:29 AM

As this was the second time it was proposed and there seem to be no objections to this version, I've made the edit. Thanks!

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#2908: Apr 21st 2024 at 10:46:48 PM

This might not be the right thread, but this post made me realize I know next to nothing about hollering. I know that it's a way to contact a moderator, but that's about it. I don't know how it differs from sending a PM through this page. There should really be an Administrivia page about hollering: what it is, when to use it, and when not to use it. It should also explain the one-holler-a-week limit that Amonimus alluded to.

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#2909: Apr 21st 2024 at 10:49:10 PM

There's no such limit; they were just saying that they already tried to holler.

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FSharp Useful Note Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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#2910: Apr 21st 2024 at 10:59:14 PM

[up] That makes sense. Yet, I still feel that an Administrivia page about hollering would be helpful.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2911: Apr 22nd 2024 at 12:28:27 AM

The policy page that discusses hollering is Know the Staff, since hollering is about contacting the staff.

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Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
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#2912: Apr 22nd 2024 at 3:23:58 AM

It's also at TV Tropes Glossary

Edited by Amonimus on Apr 22nd 2024 at 1:24:05 PM

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FSharp Useful Note Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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#2913: Apr 23rd 2024 at 3:52:25 PM

I suppose there's enough information out there about hollering. However, I would also like to draw your attention to the Administrivia.Trope Repair Shop page. In the "Making a TRS Thread About a Broken Page" section, the page implies that the first post in this thread is required reading for anyone who might want to bring a trope to the Trope Repair Shop. Yet, the first advice given by this post is to "include the action you're proposing in the thread title. For example, if you want to rename This Troper, the thread title should be 'Rename' and the text in page name field should be 'This Troper'." This is a relic of a bygone era when the Trope Repair Shop didn't have a list of predefined reasons. It's no longer possible to follow this advice, so it should be replaced.

And that was just the first advice! You could probably find a lot more outdated advice in there if you were actually looking for it.

Edited by FSharp on Apr 23rd 2024 at 6:54:02 AM

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Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
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#2914: Apr 23rd 2024 at 3:56:47 PM

This post was made in 2009 hasn't been edited since 2016. Either the link at Administrivia.Trope Repair Shop should point here instead, or the entire post needs to be rewritten.

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GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#2915: Apr 23rd 2024 at 6:44:50 PM

[up]That thread has been dormant since 2012 and is currently in the FAQs Morgue, so I'm not sure that updating it is necessary unless it gets moved back to the FAQ forum.

Edit: Apparently it was last updated in 2016 (just without any new posts being made), but I'm not sure if we need it when we have Administrivia pages covering how to use TRS.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 23rd 2024 at 8:47:58 AM

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2916: Apr 24th 2024 at 12:58:37 AM

Personally, I wonder more whether it's necessary for two differently written explanations to be both here and here.

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GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#2917: Apr 24th 2024 at 11:48:45 AM

[up]I don't think it is, especially with this line in that post already directing people to the Administrivia page:

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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 24th 2024 at 1:49:53 PM

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