"No Recent Examples Please" cleanup

Calling Arc Villain -

Arc Villain (end of relevant arc, NREP applies to episodic works only): to avoid speculative troping for episodic works. Discussed here. Added to Crowner September 4, 2023. 17 votes (Yeas:13 Nays:4) and +9 when called. 3.25:1 in favour.

I was wondering should One-Scene Wonder have a one month waiting period or at least one until after the ongoing season of a TV show ends to avoid knee jerk reactions and make sure that they are only in one scene for the work or season.

Edited by Bullman on Sep 15th 2023 at 11:31:48 AM

I have a proposal regarding adding headers to all of the Works with Trope Subpages, and Mrph1 directed me here to see what people think of it. If nobody objects to these by September 21st, then I'll call for a Crowner to decide whether or not they are implemented.

Apologies - apparently I wasn't clear. I was using this thread and Image Pickin' as two examples of how Crowners work, since they have slightly different rules.

This isn't the best thread for that particular proposal, though. I'll see if we can find a better one.

Any thoughts on my suggestion above?

Fits with the ambiguity approach and works for me. We're about to close this Crowner, so a good candidate to start the next one?

On a different topic...

ATT query

It's just under three weeks old. The NREP question has been asked - is it really a meme at that point, or just a brief flash of controversy?

Memes move fast, but should we wait until we know they actually last?

Yeah, I've seen a lot of meme examples for ongoing shows that don't resurface after a week.

Two weeks? Memes spread by a lot of people but don't last long are still memes, but if it was big enough that someone is still thinking about adding it to the wiki after two weeks, it seems fine to me.

There's been a longstanding concern with recency bias in troping, especially as regards external controversies and audience-generated memes.

I'd say that two weeks is the absolute minimum for this stuff, preferably even longer — the meme should demonstrate persistence.

Mandatory mention that this isn't TV Memes, it's TV Tropes.

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 22nd 2023 at 11:37:47 AM

2-3 weeks waiting time for memes is fine with me

I'm okay with the 2 weeks for memes.

2 weeks is good.

FWIW I think historical meme examples can count. I've seen memes that got very popular within a fandom and even trended on Twitter for only a few days, but people still remember them even if they stop being relevant. Two weeks isn't that bad, though, since some people wanna shoehorn stuff that nobody's heard of, but sometimes it's hard and annoying to track down the specific origin of a meme (unless you use Know Your Meme), so I'm not sure if getting picky with the exact origin date of a meme is gonna make things easier.

Besides, memes are pretty big audience reactions, to the point some works are entirely inspired by memes, so the whole "it's not TV Memes" thing doesn't hold much water for me if we're talking about memes that arose from tropable works.

Even if a meme dies within the first two weeks, if it had an impact on its fandom, it can still be listed under this proposal.

(This is most common with episodic works released weekly.)

So question, when y'all call crowners here, do you like... not edit the page?

Win Back the Crowd has apparently been called since late august. Page still says one week. So which one is it.

Edited by Ghilz on Sep 30th 2023 at 4:17:18 AM

That was probably an oversight. The pages usually do get updated when they are called if I am not wrong. In any case, there's nothing stopping anyone from updating the page themselves.

(Not 100% sure if this is the right place to bring this up, but I am unable to delete my post, so I'll just leave it here for now).

A troper added a Replacement Scrappy edit for Castlevania: Nocturne earlier today. I whited it out, since I wasn't 100% sure if the six-month waiting period requirement also applied to Replacement Scrappy the way it does to The Scrappy. Should the edit remain whited out for now (or instead deleted) or can it stay?

For further context, and to determine whether or not any other potential issues may be present, here is the edit below;

• Replacement Scrappy: Erszebet is largely considered a step down Dracula as the main overarching threat,with the latter's motivation and characterisation being considered a highlight of the previous series while Erszebet has very little time on screen and doesn't have a significant presence in the story or as a character. Other fans feel she undermines Dracula's status as the most powerful vampire, as not only does he not return but he is never able to demonstrate his full power, making them question if giving him a happy ending was the best choice for the narrative.

Edited by WiryAiluropodine on Oct 6th 2023 at 2:42:15 AM

So, I was thinking should Growing the Beard have a waiting limit like its counterpart Seasonal Rot does?

Yea. Cause some shows/franchises where the beard is only there temporarily and they immediately shave it off in the next installment; they revert to how the writing/aspect was before the beard was grown.

Should it also be 6 months to one year like Seasonal Rot?

Should Draco in Leather Pants have like 1 week waiting period? I ask because I see a lot of entries that are added before the work releases and the characters actions or well character are really known. So, I think one week after the work releases would be a good idea.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 16th 2023 at 10:57:43 AM

I don't know if that's necessary. Opinions on a character can form immediately after seeing a work, and many people won't change them much afterwards. At this point you may as well add an across-the-board waiting period for Audience Reactions.

Fair enough.

Any more opinions on the Growing the Beard suggestion as that one is something I think is really needs a waiting period.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 16th 2023 at 9:52:33 AM

I think Growing the Beard is fine as it is.

If don't mind me asking, why? In my experience, that is a big thing were opinions change, with some things being seen as havign grown the beard only to have that opinion massively change, people jumping the gun to say it has grown it before the season is over only for the rest to let people down, or the next season is poorly received, and it affects the previous seasons perception. Though, obviously, if everyone else disagrees and thinks it is fine, then it is probably fine.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 16th 2023 at 11:07:52 AM