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wingedcatgirl Watch that pink smoke swooce right in from The Murder-Free Hotel
Watch that pink smoke swooce right in
Apr 19th 2019 at 7:50:03 PM

[up]The 25-year requirement is hidden in a comment, so a lot of people ignore don't see it.

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RallyBot2 America Held Hostage from Nowhere Significant Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
America Held Hostage
Apr 23rd 2019 at 11:00:20 PM

I edited the Administrivia page to add the 10-month wait for NeverLiveItDown.Sports and clarified that the limit on Unintentional Period Piece can be bypassed in exceptional circumstances. Both being omitted from that page have already caused problems when people took its word (in the former's case, applying NLID/RealLife to sports) as gospel.

Silverblade2 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Apr 25th 2019 at 3:02:20 AM

Added in NeverLiveItDown.Sports

  • Paul George of the Oklahoma City Thunder is the one who failed to block Damien Lillard's spectacular last-second 3 point shot that eliminated Thunder from the playoffs. This in itself wouldn't be so bad, but George ensured no one would forget it by being an incredible sore loser, complaining after the game that the shot was somehow illegal (and refusing to explain exactly how).

If I'm not mistaken, the incident is very recent.

bwburke94 Ultimate ??? from Ultimate Academy for Gifted Juveniles Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
Ultimate ???
Apr 25th 2019 at 7:16:08 AM

[up] Whack it.

Hey there. Guess I don't have to introduce myself, huh?
Apr 30th 2019 at 2:02:08 PM

Should Seasonal Rot wait for a certain period?

Gacha Is A Lie.
Apr 30th 2019 at 2:35:31 PM

I brought up that The Scrappy should have a six-month wait period on the previous page and a few others agreed to it. Should I create a crowner?

Apr 30th 2019 at 4:35:22 PM

I added this example from Mortal Kombat 11 to CommonKnowledge.Video Games, but I'm not sure if it's too recent or not, and regret adding it.

  • Shortly after the release of Mortal Kombat 11, a rumor started circulating that obtaining all Kosmetics within a reasonable timeframe would require over 6000$ in microtransactions. This figure was obtained by taking the total amount of Kosmetics in the game and multiplying it by 5 (a skin in the shop costs 500 Time Krystals, which can be purchased with real money for 5$), ignoring that only a small amount of Kosmetics are available in the store each day and that most Kosmetics cannot be bought from the store, but it remained common among critics of the game even after it was disproven.

Did I make a mistake adding this or is it fine?

May 3rd 2019 at 12:56:15 PM

YMMV.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic IDW Issue 75 To 78

  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: Many fans find the idea of Cosmos, a former associate or lover of Discord who returns to cause trouble, intriguing, as Discord having to face off with someone similar to his past, evil self could be a compelling story. However, rather than explore this idea, Cosmos is used to make Discord Good All Along and excuse his evil past, and is found to be a rather bland and forgettable villain.

I intend to remove since the story is ongoing and might happen in the final issue. Any objections?

May 3rd 2019 at 1:31:07 PM

I do agree with The Scrappy having a waiting period, but six months seems to be a bit too long.

May 3rd 2019 at 1:58:05 PM

How long do you think, then?

Two weeks is the other widely used waiting period, but that's for Complete Monster and other trope so contentious or miserable that all examples have to be approved, which seems even more drastic. (FYI confusing CM and Scrappy was a reason for now requiring approval.)

May 3rd 2019 at 2:00:35 PM

On The Scrappy, how about a month or 2?

Gacha Is A Lie.
bwburke94 Ultimate ??? from Ultimate Academy for Gifted Juveniles Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
Ultimate ???
May 3rd 2019 at 2:01:15 PM

[up] When would the clock be started for episodic works?

Hey there. Guess I don't have to introduce myself, huh?
May 3rd 2019 at 2:02:58 PM

I was thinking two weeks, or a month. More than two months feels like it would be a drastic measure.

Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Short-Term Projects herald
May 3rd 2019 at 2:06:03 PM

A month, I would say.

Should something similar happen with any of the following?

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May 3rd 2019 at 3:43:49 PM

[up][up][up]When their story is concluded for the foreseeable future.

The six month waiting period was since Base-Breaking Character requires six months and is incomparable with Scrappy, it would be a waste to label them Scrappy only to cut them if they're deemed BBC later.

If Scrappy has a shorter waiting period, how'd we avoid this?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on May 3rd 2019 at 3:44:56 AM

ZootyCutie94 A real Weirdie! from North Aurora Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
A real Weirdie!
May 3rd 2019 at 7:13:41 PM

When would be a good time to add Critical Dissonance to the Uglydolls YMMV page? The movie just released officially today, but there is a very staggering leap between the critics and the audience, so I wasn't sure how long would be a good "waiting time". I brought this up on Ask the Tropers, but was redirected to here to suggest it.

May 3rd 2019 at 8:46:19 PM

[up]Atleast 2 weeks? At least until the reviews have settled.

Gacha Is A Lie.
ZootyCutie94 A real Weirdie! from North Aurora Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
A real Weirdie!
May 3rd 2019 at 8:50:31 PM

[up] All right, I'll wait until then.

May 9th 2019 at 5:34:20 PM

Isn't Contested Sequel kind of like a Sub-Trope of Broken Base, where the Base is the entire fandom of the whole franchise, and the Break is over whether the sequel is better or worse than the previous instalment? Obviously, when a new work is released, every fan will be discussing it and comparing it to the rest of the series, leading to many knee-jerk reactions which a waiting period could help avoid.

May 9th 2019 at 6:05:47 PM

[up] I always thought Contested Sequel can use a similar time limit to Broken Base, due to both Audience Reactions being related and Contested Sequel has also been used for knee-jerk reactions.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson.
I'm Sad Frogerson.
May 9th 2019 at 6:33:56 PM

If we give Contested Sequel a waiting period, I think we should do the same for Even Better Sequel and Sequelitis so fans can settle on a general opinion. I've seen a lot of films added as a Contested Sequel and one of the other sequel tropes for various reasons, and a waiting period on all three should help matters.

May 9th 2019 at 6:39:46 PM

[up] Good point, all of the "is this sequel better or worse?" Audience Reactions should require a waiting period, it wouldn't make sense to only have that requirement for one of them.

May 9th 2019 at 6:57:21 PM

YMMV.Godzilla The Planet Eater has all three which doesn't make qny sense.

Gacha Is A Lie.
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson.
I'm Sad Frogerson.
May 17th 2019 at 1:37:34 PM

So, Never Live It Down has a waiting period for Real Life examples, 10 years for sports and 25 for everything else. But I think I found a subpage that skirts around this waiting period.

The Web Original subpage is mostly focused on content producers and real-life drama they've caused that's still relatively recent. Obviously, there's a fine-line between the work and the creator for some entries, but it's more clear-cut for others.

For example, a Let's Player doing something stupid while playing a game or a reviewer having a controversial opinion? That's probably okay to keep, as that's part of the work itself. Something like companies exploiting their workers, people being abusers off-camera, or Reddit AMA threads? Those are definitely real-life examples that should have a waiting period.

If we do list BTS stuff like that, what should the waiting period be? Most of these are less than a decade old, so our waiting periods we do have in place would mean these entries can't be listed. But would a moratorium of say five years be too short? Or should we just keep entries focused on the works itself, and file everything else as real-life examples?

Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Short-Term Projects herald
May 17th 2019 at 3:24:29 PM

I honestly think all out-of-universe examples for Never Live It Down should be at least ten years old per example, just to avoid stuff like "this work will probably be forever tarnished by something that happened a year ago".

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Page Action: No Recent Examples Please
27th Feb '20 12:47:51 AM
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These are pages where it has been proposed to limit Real Life examples to those before a certain point in time, usually for reasons of the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment or recency bias. Please discuss tropes in the thread before adding them; entries added without discussion are subject to deletion.

Proposed time limits may be over a rolling period (e.g. \"no examples from the past 6 months\") or a fixed point in time (e.g. \"no examples after 1975\").

Vote UP to agree with a proposed change; vote DOWN to disagree.

If an item has a (CLOSED) on it, there is no need to vote on it; the result has already been decided, meeting the following requirements:
  • They have ten or more total votes,
  • have been on the crowner for at least 72 hours, measured from when the addition of the new crowner entry is announced in a thread post,
  • and are stable with at least a 2:1 vote ratio.

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