Duplicate tropes discussion thread

I don't think there's a difference between Orphaned Series and Dead Fic. In fact, the former already talks about fan works.

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Edited by Serac on Aug 3rd 2020 at 8:12:18 AM

Migrated from ATT because they suggested I bring it up here.

I noticed a discrepancy with the descriptions and usage of Character Customization (CC) and Virtual Paper Doll (VPD.)

Just by looking at the examples and the page images, CC implies control over several aspects of the character whilst VPD is merely about choosing your character wears. Thus, CC is a supertrope to VPD.

But in CC's description, it implies VPD is a 2D version of CC. Meanwhile, the laconic version of VPD is "You can change how your character looks," which is indistinguishable from CC.

I propose rephrasing the line in CC to "Compare virtual paper doll, in which you change your character's clothes." And changing the laconic of VPD into "You can customize your character's outfits."

I just wanted to bring this up before doing anything, because I think modifying a description and laconic warrants a discussion.

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I've asked this before, but I'm going to be more precise with my phrasing: What, precisely, distinguishes Polygon Ceiling from "Video Game 3D Leap that's bad"? Particularly since it's not even tagged as YMMV, so it has to be something tropey.

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Well, one thing is that this kind of subdivision is not within the scope of The Same, but More Specific. Positive vs. negative reception vs. no judgment is an important distinction in troping. Of course, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like and other such policies enters into play when we are talking negative reception.

Looking at the examples, it looks like this trope mixes somewhat objective issues with 3D ports with 3D ports that got a negative reception (which supposedly shouldn't be listed here). Might be a definition issue, there.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

The third paragraph on The Same, but More says that your TLP draft shouldn't just be "Trope X, but done poorly".

After looking at the page, it looks to me like the intersection between Video Game 3D Leap and They Changed It, Now It Sucks!. Throw it on the sandbox, I guess.

What's the difference between Fan Myopia and Opinion Myopia? Aren't they just about "a person's opinion is different than reality"?

With Great Power, Comes Great Motivation

IIRC, Fan Myopia is when fans of a particular work belief that the work is more popular/well-known than it really is. Opinion Myopia is when a fan (or hater) believe that their opinion on a particular work is universal, and refuses to acknowledge contradicting views regarding the work.

I think there's a difference of attitude between "I thought everyone knows about this work" and "I hate/love this work, and therefore everyone who knows of it should hate/love it too".

Edited by Adept on Aug 26th 2020 at 10:08:33 PM

What's the difference between Teleportation Misfire and Random Transportation?

I'm noting this in particular because the former was once called Random Teleportation and I'm trying to figure out how to write the disambig.

e: ... For that matter, what's the difference between these and Blind Jump?

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Aug 17th 2020 at 11:55:11 AM

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^ - You have a target and miss, vs. never having a target in the first place...

Vs. randomly choosing a target but targeting is possible.

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This seems pretty clear-cut to me, but I guess I should ask first somewhere anyway, and hey, maybe it's so obvious it's not worth the time going through the repair shop process.

Rock Paper Switch and Opponent Switch - both about gaining an advantage in a fight by swapping opponents with their teammates.

Rock Paper Switch dates back to 2008, while Opponent Switch was launched in 2010, but only the latter was really developed and wick'ed.

Symbology Research Failure says:

"Contrast with Faux Symbolism. In that trope, the creator knows it has some symbolic meaning and tries to throw these ideas on top of the work in vaguely appropriate situations to try to make things seem deep and meaningful. In this trope, the placement being out of joint with any appropriate context highlights the lack of intended depth."

But how do we know the difference in practice?

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In theory, I'd say one is where normal people dress up like monks/nuns to go to work, and the other is monks/nuns having white-collar jobs like everyone else, but the examples don't really support that distinction.

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I found Time Machine and Our Time Machine Is Different, which are both "time machine in a work"?

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Today I discovered that If We Survive This and If We Get Through This… both exist. I originally brought this up in Ask the Tropers and was informed that the tropes, though they have uncomfortably similar names, are not identical...but I'm still not sure I understand the difference.

I want to hear other people's thoughts on If We Survive This vs. If We Get Through This… first for clarification. If we decide they're not duplicates, I think one of them should be renamed. On a somewhat separate note, I think If We Survive This needs a clearer description.

Skimming the two, it looks like If We Survive This is, like, a bargain with the universe — not necessarily a serious one, but the idea is "if I'm still alive after this I will do a virtuous thing as thanks".

And If We Get Through This… is serious planning for what happens afterward, while acknowledging that you might not actually get to "afterward" to carry out those plans. Supertrope to Retirony.

The names are completely worthless at distinguishing them, though.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Aug 21st 2020 at 3:04:20 AM

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Do you think it's worth bringing up in the Trope Repair Shop? From taking a quick glance, I assume I would need to either decide on one trope that needs repairing or write two separate entries for each trope.

Honestly, I think If We Get Through This… is perfectly fine as a trope, but If We Survive This both sounds the same and has a poor description.

(Apologies for not just bringing this to the Trope Repair Shop right away, I've never really done this before.)

I think both tropes are distinct from each other in their ideas, but with how similar their names are, l wouldn’t be surprised if they’ve been confused with each other before.

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If you're going to take them to TRS, you'll want to do a wick check to prove that one or the other is being misused. If you don't have any evidence, the thread will be declined.

Now that Adorkable is YMMV, I need to know its difference from Moe.

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- Dorkiness - A.k.a "stupid, socially inept, unfashionable, or ridiculous"

Mainly on the "socially inept" and "unfashionable" bits.

While Moe is more on the "cute" side. I assume it's on Delicate Is Beautiful for a reason...

A Cute Clumsy Girl... Could be either? ... Moe is so Japanese... Hmm...

Edited by Malady on Aug 23rd 2020 at 6:32:06 AM

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Adorkable: A character is dorky so the fans like them.

Moe: A character is cute so the fans want to hug/protect them.

A character can be both, but the social awkwardness/other dorky behaviors is key to the former.

Edited by Synchronicity on Aug 23rd 2020 at 10:45:30 AM

Gotta Kill Them All and Systematic Villain Takedown?

^ From the draft of the latter: 'Gotta Kill Them All allows examples of "destroy" rather than strictly "kill", and "them" can be anything and isn't restricted to the main group of villains. Also, GKTA emphasises the "gotta" aspect, so [Systematic Villain Takedown] would exclude examples where the villains don't have to be taken out (and especially don't have to be taken out one by one) but they are because they continue to oppose the heroes.'

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Aug 25th 2020 at 4:50:34 AM

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Gotta Kill Them All refers to a motivation/goal while SVD refers to a plot structure.

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Trauma-Induced Amnesia and Repressed Memories?