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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 24th 2024 at 1:49:19 PM
21,000 isn't that much lower than 30,000, especially if many of the "surviving" examples need rewrites.
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Also a good point. I guess we'll see when the OP gets posted.
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It's not just the wick count for Berserk Button and other heavily wicked tropes, the regrow fast and most cleanups only have 1-3 people working on them if there's anyone working on them at all. For Berserk Button, I wasn't convinced that a rename was going to do anything (people aren't misusing the trope because of the name in any case). If we are getting rid of the trope that's one thing, but a rename/redef for a deeply ingrained trope is going to be harder to make stick.
As for Big Damn Heroes, it's worth a wick check at least. I'd go to Trope Talk first.
Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 26th 2023 at 9:19:11 AM
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You can't escape this monster
Sorry, but I don't understand what's wrong with Big Damn Heroes. I only saw it used for last-minute rescues from tense situations, which is not PSOC in my opinion.
I'm mainly a fan of underrated media.
The "problem" is that that's not well explained in the definition of the trope (on the page or Laconic,) as well as the name being non-indicative.
It's just written as "the heroes save the day and it's awesome."
the Retromancer
This is why it's best to put OP into the queue and if there's a problem, chat in Trope Talk before it gets its turn.
There's a difference between "too hard" and "we may not be able to clean it up over something trivial", it also needs discussed ahead if maybe the Description Improvement is enough.
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So does that mean I should be looking into TRS action for Deadpan Snarker? A rename was mainly what I had in mind.
Maybe I should create that trope talk thread and get some more input there.
the Retromancer
It can save a lot of time if it's discussed before it gets to TRS, maybe tropers will disagree a rename is even needed.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
I created the thread here. Now I can stop bringing it up here.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
If Deadpan Snarker and Big Damn Heroes need more thorough discussion, take it to Trope Talk (or possibly Projects if cleanup is needed instead of discussion) instead of flooding this thread. (The post directly above this one should have been made on the previous page.)
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 27th 2023 at 3:47:11 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Did you mean Big Damn Heroes instead of Berserk Button?
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
It did seem I misread, and Berserk Button was being compared to Big Damn Heroes' situation instead of being the main subject. Fixing that.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 27th 2023 at 3:47:00 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Am I a weirdo?
I just stumbled across Business As Unusual. It's about a group of people attempting to run a business that they have no business attempting to run. It has also collected a grand total of 15 wicks since its launch in 2010. It seems like there's a trope there, but there's also likely a reason that it has barely more than one wick per year of existence. I'll probably TRS it as "Not Thriving," but I'd like to see if anyone has any thoughts or suggestions before getting started.
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With those stats, any tropable ideas would require a re-run through TLP or a trip to the Trope Idea Salvage Yard. (I do think the name isn't the best, so if it gets TLPed or yarded it would probably need a new name at least).
I think you can just queue it up.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jan 28th 2023 at 4:42:27 AM
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Sorry to double post, but I wanted to raise concerns about the Stockholm Syndrome queue entry—namely that there's no wick check, and there was already a discussion about it that was leaning towards "don't bring it in".
~Eievie Do you still want to TRS Stockholm Syndrome? Figured I'd ask in case you don't.
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Am I a weirdo?
It's on the queue. Also, the wicks are even worse than I thought. If I ignore the indexing and "see also" links, there are only three wicks left, of which one is misuse and a second is missing context.
fwiw, the name was brought up as a possible issue on the discussion page. But also, looking at the low wicks, it seems like a combo of an unintuitive name and a lack of crosswicking (the examples on the page don't seem to be represented in the wicks) are the culprits behind this one not gaining any traction.
Very classic "Not Thriving" and back to TLP/cut and yard the concept situation.
Am I a weirdo?
Curse you random trope button for constantly feeding me ancient, starving tropes. This time it's Im Going For A Closer Look. It dates to 2011 at the latest (the page history was lost in the move away from the ptitle system), and has 16 wicks. It's also a stock phrase.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.
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So, I was in the middle of wick checking They Do to see if it's redundant with Relationship Upgrade, but the thing is all the examples from They Do that aren't ZCEs can literally fit RU that putting them in a folder that says the same thing feels pointless/unnecessary. Do I still need to complete the wick check to take it to TRS? (I checked more wicks but still haven't added them btw).
the Retromancer
You do (pun not inteded?)
"all the examples from They Do that aren't ZCEs can literally fit RU" needs to be proven, or rather, be proven that it's not a Sub-Trope that has something unique added.
Edited by Amonimus on Jan 29th 2023 at 11:55:21 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Page info says it's created in 27 August 2008.
Stockholm Syndrome does have a wick check Sandbox.Stockholm Syndrome Wick Check sorry if I forgot to list it in the queue folder area.
the Retromancer
Da hell is Trope Grid?
e: And only now checked it's at Tropes Needing TRS. Okay if a Queue it with just "Suggesting moving to JFF/"?
Edited by Amonimus on Jan 30th 2023 at 6:46:08 PM
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EDIT: Wait nevermind Berserk Button had 30,000 wicks. This has much less. I rescind my claim.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jan 26th 2023 at 8:39:02 AM
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