Five-Man Band cleanup

I mean, my thought process is, if there's a legit case to be made for five of the members being in the actual FMB roles and someone else is just tacked on because they exist, then the extra person could be removed because they aren't actually part of the band to begin with. However that all assumes the band exists in the first place and that the extra member(s) is shoehorned, as in, not even part of the band.

I agree.

Can you give an example of an entry that seems valid, but has a sixth character that is not actually part of the band tacked on "just because they exist" so we can see this principle in action?

Edited by HighCrate on Jan 13th 2019 at 4:31:05 AM

EDIT: A lot of responses before I could hit submit. Never mind.

Edited by Zuxtron on Jan 13th 2019 at 7:34:48 AM

If we find one I'll point it out for sure, but I don't quite have the time to rifle through all the FMB examples to find one. And I'm not sure there are even examples of this occurring, just that if it does happen to occur we can handle it without outright cutting it for having extra members. It's very possible it's not a thing that has happened, but that doesn't mean it hasn't either, so. (shrug)

Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 13th 2019 at 7:33:41 AM

Sounds like we should get along with the subpage cleanup and cross that bridge when we come to it.

As with many other large cleanup threads, I think we can also safely adopt a "when in doubt, cut" policy. There's no need to bring every single entry here for consensus. If it shows multiple common signs of shoehorning (like multiple roles per character, multiple characters per role, roles that aren't part of the FMB ensemble, and/or more or less than 5 characters) and you think it's shoehorned, it's probably shoehorned.

Just cut it with an edit reason linking to this thread. If someone disagrees and wants it restored, they can come here and argue for it, and then we can have a discussion and reach consensus and make sure it has full context.

Edited by HighCrate on Jan 13th 2019 at 4:38:22 AM

Yes. The subpages for Complete Monster aren't full of decade-old bad examples that haven't been removed because the pages are locked. I wish this thread was as active as that trope's one.

I wish most threads that aren't Complete Monster or Magnificent Bastard were more active, but, it is what it is... (not that those two threads aren't very important just... I wish other threads moved as fast as they do ya know)

Let's get on with the cleanup.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 13th 2019 at 7:41:16 AM

Yes, Magnificent Bastard too. I just used Complete Monster as an example since its cleanup effort is much older, as old as this thread.

alright, then the theater section is cut barring someone coming up with context and rationale why any should be added/restored.

When I have more time I'm planning on just going to one of the subpages and skimming through to get rid of the most blatant misused examples; maybe I'll be able to do that tomorrow. My plan is to just chip away at the issue by getting rid of the most obvious ones and save the ones I'm unsure about for discussion.

yeah i've been going through the film section to salvage what aren't blatant shoehorns are require a ton more context.

Currently n B for Breakfast Club.

Starting on my cleanup binge; gonna try and tackle Western Animation

Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 16th 2019 at 3:56:28 PM

Ookay, well, I need to start watching more media or something since I only knew a handful of the cartoons listed and there was only one I knew definitely fit the trope; Codename: Kid's Next Door. Eh...it's a start.

Anyone else think this Pleasant Goat and Big Big Wolf example is misuse?

• Five-Man Band
  • The Hero- Weslie
  • The Lancer- Sparky, (sometimes) Paddi, and Wolffy in the second movie
  • The Smart Guy- Mr.Slowy
  • The Chick- Tibby
  • The Big Guy- Jody and Sparky
  • Sixth Ranger- Paddi and Jody

Three different people as the Lancer? Looks totally okay to me!

Cut.

Exactly. Cut it.

Looking through the music subpage, there is a surprising paucity of examples. Here are the only ones that might be valid, but I need more context on the musicians roles. Does the Jefferson Airplane example have enough context?

• Fleetwood Mac:
  • The Leader: Mick Fleetwood
  • The Lancer: Lindsey Buckingham
  • The Smart Guy: Christine Mcvie
  • The Big Guy: John Mcvie
  • The Chick: Stevie Nicks

• Jefferson Airplane:
  • The Leader: Marty Valin (the group's founder)
  • The Lancer: David Freeburg (guitarist)
  • The Big Guy: Donny Baldwin (drummer)
  • The Smart Guy: Paul Kantner (the group's co-founder)
  • The Chick: Grace Slick (duh)

Edited by naturalironist on Jan 17th 2019 at 9:34:14 AM

If only I knew those bands...

I'm not sure what more I can do here to be perfectly honest; most of the remaining subpages are of media I'm not all that familiar with and any works with examples I do know are shoe-horned (usually with more than five team members).

what ive been doing is going to the work page itself, or the character page for the work and seeing if theres additional context there.

also a quick google search or if its a big enough work that it has a page on The Other Wiki can sometimes give you a good enough sense of lead/foil/strong/smart/feminine

The Fleetwood Mac situation looks like a clear case of Three Plus Two, but not sure if it's an FMB.

Fleetwood is The Leader, tempted to put Mc Vie as The Lancer since he was reluctant to join the group at first, but then became its longest tenured member. Christine was his partner and did background vocals and keys, she stayed for a long time, left and then came back so maybe Smart Guy. Buckingham joined when the team was in need of a new male vocalist, and but he was a package deal with his girlfriend Stevie Nicks. Together they were a pretty big draw and instrumental to their success. So maybe The Big Guy and The Chick. Or The Lancer since he was the head of the Two in the Three Plus Two? But then that would make Mc Vie The Big Guy. You also can't neatly band them based on their musical instruments because The Leader in group dynamics is literally a drummer rather than lead vocals/guitar.

Jefferson Airplane I can't make heads or tails of.

Real people are usually much more complicated than fictional archetypes...

I'd just ax these two for now.

Edited by acrobox on Jan 17th 2019 at 9:32:56 AM

currently on D for Dumbo in the film section, the ones I've skipped are either shoehorns or don't have enough context.

In that case we can cutlist the Music subpage...

The Jefferson Airplane one seems like it could be ok with more context but I looked into it a bit more and they seem to have had both more than five members and a lineup that changed so much it's hard to assign people to clear roles.

Cut the music page then.

Took the advice; I'm going back through the Western Animation section looking for context. Stuck on Dragon Flyz because I can't tell if the roles are shoe-horned or if the page is just bad at explaining who is actually in the team. Too many characters on the page...

Edit: So I thought I had at least two examples of "Five-Man Band + pointless, removable excess ", but upon further inspection both examples (Kappa Mikey and The Real Ghostbusters) contain at least one shoe-horn that keeps them from actually working. (Got as far as adding Kappa Mikey before I realized this... whoops.)

Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 18th 2019 at 4:54:42 AM