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Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
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The Load has, by my count, eight "general" examples that could probably be cut outright. There are also a couple of ZCEs and the De Gaulle example comes across as perhaps controversial. One is an explanation of a completely different trope, The Peter Principle.
I'd crowner The Load. I'd say it's a bit of a narrative/characterization trope, and it's attracting poor examples, and the Charles de Gaulle one, ROCEJ might be a harsh descriptor but that example certainly looks like it was written by someone with an axe to grind against him.
I'm going to bring up Little Miss Badass again because I didn't realize it was at the end of a page and tropes brought up at the end of a page tend to get lost.
Side note: My argument about the Thunberg example wasn't that she wouldn't count, more so that the example was excessively gushy about her, which we don't want.
Edited by MissConduct on Sep 27th 2022 at 7:52:05 AM
Does being an online activist really count as badass? Not to disparage Thunberg as a person, but when leaders like Trump and Putin dunk on other people on Twitter and those people dunk back, that's generally not considered badass. Why is her case different? Is it just because people generally agree with her cause?
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I think it might be her age. She's seen as an icon of activism among young people.
Just looking at the number of examples, "Too Common" would be the easy way to take care of both Little Miss Badass and Action Girl. However you want to define it, there are going to many examples in Real Life.
I don't really see how that makes a difference. She is in no danger whatsoever. Most other teens who do what she does aren't viewed the same way.
Edited by badtothebaritone on Sep 27th 2022 at 1:27:28 PM
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I also think it's because she was one of the first really big youth activists on climate.
Note, by the way, that I'm not defending the example, I'm just sharing my thoughts on why she is seen the way she is.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Sep 27th 2022 at 2:29:10 PM
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She's not just a girl who sits on Twitter, y'know. She led marches and spoke at the UN, which is pretty badass for a kid.
Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 27th 2022 at 2:30:16 PM
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I wasn't trying to argue with you. I was just sharing my thoughts as well.
Oh, I didn't know that. Impressive.
Still think the trope should be crownered, though.
Edited by badtothebaritone on Sep 27th 2022 at 1:32:22 PM
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That too.
Oh, sorry if it came off as a debate. FWIW I support crownering Little Miss Badass as well.
x Give other thread participants a couple of days to discuss the proposal (as is occurring with Little Miss Badass and Action Girl).
Edited by Tabs on Sep 27th 2022 at 11:48:27 AM
Looks like we have two to crowner now (the requiste day to gather opinions has been observed):
- Big Guy, Little Guy - Too Common, attracting zero context examples (added Sept. 27th)
- Action Girl - Too Common, attracting natter and gushing (added Sept. 27th)
Re: The Load
As said before, it is almost entirely general examples, which can be deleted at any time (I'll do it in just a bit).
The De Gaulle example is a shoehorn in my opinion, as obnoxious as he was, De Gaulle did rally the French colonies to the Free French, and provided a rather large army to push the Germans out (it was primarily African and Arab, so we don't hear much about it). I'd vote for cutting it too.
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^^ Added. Counting the accidental crowner item, we have about 15 items on the crowner. I think we should put everything after the last two crowner items in the new crowner once we swap it in.
Macron's notes
Kicked Upstairs has a massive list of examples, even starting with "It happens everywhere, and in all walks of life", which makes me think it's very much Too Common.
Edited by MissConduct on Sep 27th 2022 at 7:40:36 AM
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Edited the sticky so that the opening clearly states that cutting RL sections should be treated as a last resort.
Macron's notes
the Retromancer
Are links at Ye Olde Nuclear Silo RL advertisements?
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I don't hate the Kicked Upstairs examples. Seems like someone took the time to make sure it was fairly well-written and organized. (And for something that has sections on both US Politics and Nazi Germany, it's impressive that it's not outright "too controversial")
There are a number of "general" examples that can be trimmed outright, anything talking about "most companies" or entire military branches.
The fact that there are so many examples does lend toward "Too Common", but on a quick scan, it doesn't actually seem too problematic.
Edited by BeerBaron on Sep 28th 2022 at 9:25:49 AM
Is there a tag or something to show that a trope is NRLXP?
Asians Love Tea, as a stereotype, should probably fall under being too general to qualify, but since it doesn't have any real life examples (yet), it's unclear whether real life examples are already not barred from it or not.
It appears at the bottom as an index if the trope has been added to one of the No Real Life Examples, Please! categories. Quite often, but not always, a line about "No Real Life Examples, Please!" and the reason why is usually near the end of the description.
Random thought, if that weren't enough, I wonder if a banner at the top like YMMV and Trivia tropes get could be helpful. "Real Life example are not allowed on this page" or something.
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We used to have a red warning on the editing screen for NRLEP tropes but it's been broken for years now. An automated banner requires admin work.
For now, we have been adding there commented out tags to tropes we process. I think we have been doing that for a month now?
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Macron's notes
Re: Ye Olde Nuclear Silo, I'd axe the website links. In general I think we're not supposed to link to ads outside of the Advertising sections of pages, and only then when the ad is tropable.
N-Word Privileges seems incredibly controversial. I don't think it's really our place to be cataloging which words are and aren't okay and who can and can't say them (which, you know, changes nearly constantly). I know in these sort of discussions there's always discourse about who in the community has the right to allow or not allow these sort of words and if it's a blanket ban against outsiders or some groups can and some can't... it's just so controversial I think we really shouldn't have RL examples.
Edited by MissConduct on Sep 28th 2022 at 12:08:11 PM
are any of the examples on Family-Friendly Firearms salvageable or can i cut them all as was my first instinct?
Ye Olde Nuclear Silo - Agreed with axing.
N-Word Privileges - Yikes. Gotta be Too Controversial.
Family-Friendly Firearms - "Non-Lethal" and "Laser" weapons come across as general and not really in the spirit of the trope. Those are still real life weapons (experimental, in the case of lasers) that do not make for "family friendly" violence. (Ever see someone get tased? You'll want to cover your kids' eyes.) The emoji example is the only one I could see keeping, though it could use some wording cleanup.
Downvoted the following tropes with reasons:
- Huge Guy, Tiny Girl: I believe the first three examples can be kept because they describe size differences between different sexes, within the same species.
- Tiny Guy, Huge Girl: I believe the second last example can kept because it describes size differences between different sexes, within the same species.
Edited by Mechanicalman450 on Sep 28th 2022 at 8:45:07 PM
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