Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
Apparently not. I see neither the visible or the invisible tag on it, and it has a AlphaBitch.Real Life subpage, although granted with only one example.
Sorcerer in training
I asked about Alpha Bitch before, but no one ever replied, so I didn't add it. I adhere to 'I can be wrong', such as on Pint-Sized Powerhouse, so I don't like unilaterally adding something without a discussion first. Unless it's a Villain trope.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
A couple of RL examples in Dirty Old Woman are about stand-up comics' personas, perhaps those should be moved?*
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
Sorcerer in training
Comedy folder, maybe? I've seen those around here and there.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Zzzzzzzzzz
That would work, yes.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Well wait, would the same be true for Dirty Old Man?
The people who made Most Definitely Not a Villain probably misread the trope title as "Most Definitely Not A Tourist" since most examples are tourists. The section also includes Japanese restaurants as an example. The only example that could be even remotely close to being considered a villain is one involving a spy, and even then, we have our "Real Life people cannot be villains" policy, so that one also doesn't count.
Baffling as it may seem, Most Definitely Not a Villain is not actually a villain trope. It's "The impersonation equivalent of Paper-Thin Disguise."
Sorcerer in training
There's still the issue of misuse and shoehorns. That section is bad.
I'm not exactly sure where 'they were just posing as a villain, they're not really' falls on the don't insult RL people scale.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Again, while there's a lot of misuse (the page on tourists is basically one giant shoehorn, unless pretending to be natives is a thing most tourists do these days), it's not a villain trope. It's about a transparently-awful attempt at impersonating someone.
Sorcerer in training
.....there are a lot of ways that can attract natter and This Troper tales. Especially when a disguise passed during say, a crime, but afterwards hindsight picks out all the things that were wrong with the disguise in the first place.
I still think it should be NRLEP, but taking out the Villain Trope designation seems justified.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Zzzzzzzzzz
It's not a villain trope in the sense of calling people villains, although it can and often is used by villains. Remove the "Villain Trope" reason from the crowner.
It's a comedy trope.
But the Real Life section doesn't have a single valid example in it.
edited 14th Mar '14 1:00:49 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Sorcerer in training
And removed Villain trope designation per discussion.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Do we really a page to lists all of the insults used against real people's mothers!? (Your Mom)
Also it looks like some of the examples in the real life section of your mom may be misplaced.
Calling Dirty Old Woman (unopposed) Added 10th Mar '14 at 06:28:18 PM
I am also calling Alcoholic Parent (15:1), Goddamned Bats (7.5:1), and Forced into Evil (5:1). All of the previously listed items were added on March 10.
edited 14th Mar '14 8:05:49 PM by Feinoha
Sorcerer in training
@Feinohna: That's not proper format or procedure, my friend. We format and call it like below, and we transfer the reasons to the Edit Requests for Locked pages thread.
We also put the [[noreallife]] tag on the pages when the items are removed, to kick up the proper warning in the editing page, delete the RL sections, and use [[strike: ]]] markup to cross them off the list. Please also check out way I formatted my edit request on the Edit Requests for Locked Pages thread.
I personally make a note not only in the edit reasons, but also on the discussion page.
It's great you want to help, but please do it this way. It's the way that was working best when I first wandered in. 
Calling:
- Dirty Old Woman: We REALLY don't need to know. Also kind of flame bait material. 17:0
- Alcoholic Parent: The Alcoholic is already NRLEP, and like with that trope the wiki doesn't need the gossip. 15:1 (16)
- Goddamned Bats: Video Game and fictional trope, impossible in Real Life. Complaining, natter, thread mode, and shoehorning. 7.5:1 (17)
- Forced into Evil: Villain trope 5:1 (18)
$*(&^(#... GD Bats RL is a page. I hope I cutlisted it properly.
edited 14th Mar '14 8:38:02 PM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
I'll have to remember that if I call any tropes in the future. Thanks for explaining the proper process. :)
Sorcerer in training
No problems.
Edit: I just finished cleaning them up and inserting the no real life markup. If you want to take a look, you can. Or you might want to look at Nohbody's work. He's the master at it. 
edited 14th Mar '14 8:40:39 PM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
I Banged Your Mom: Sex trope, and the Real Life section is mostly Natter.
There is no Planet B
I'd like to suggest a villain trope — Dark Mistress. However, the crowner looks full. Should I wait for a new one, or is it ok? :-)
Sorcerer in training
(Does a quick count) I think we're good for up to five more entries before the new crowner has to be created and hooked.
edited 16th Mar '14 8:13:46 PM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
There is no Planet B
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Thanks, Candi. Dark Mistress is there.
Sorcerer in training
I added the timestamp for you. :)
Sorcerer in training
Calling:
Timey-Wimey Ball: Impossible in real life. Shoehorned examples. 7:1 (16)
That One Player: Should only have In-Universe examples. "This game has some very skilled players" is too subjective. 4.67:1 (17)
Alpha Bitch: The trope describes an inherently horrible person. It's also not nice to call real life people bitches any more than Jerkasses or villains. 4.67:1 (17)
Jerk Jock: The trope describes an inherently horrible person. It's also not nice to call real life Jerkasses or villains. Related to Alpha Bitch. 4.33:1 (16)
Not NRLEP at this point: Most Definitely Not a Villain. RL section needs serious scrubbing, though. Not a single example fits.
(Counts) We'll probably need a new crowner after the last two get called.
edited 17th Mar '14 9:13:25 PM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
When you're cutting real life examples, make sure the examples you're cutting are actually real life examples. Half of the Dirty Old Woman examples you cut just needed to be moved to a comedy section since they're about stand up comic's acts. If you're going to do the job, do it right. Not sloppily.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
I thought Alpha Bitch was NRLEP already?
The child is father to the man —Oedipus