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Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, YKTTW or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

Edited by Berrenta on Dec 19th 2018 at 6:31:01 AM

Sep 17th 2019 at 3:36:42 PM

VideoGame.Fallout 76

  • Tempting Fate: "We're gonna have 16 times the detail with all-new rendering, lighting, and landscape technology, and a map four times bigger than Fallout 4." [[EpicFail So much for that claim]]...

Epic Fail should be cut as it's No Real Life, but Tempting Fate isn't. What do we do tropes that effect the work in real life as opposed to the work?

nrjxll Relationship Status: Not war
Sep 17th 2019 at 3:42:31 PM

Sounds like a "meta" example. Cut it.

Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Arch-Douchebag
Sep 19th 2019 at 8:39:34 AM

The Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality page has a Critical Research Failure that reads as follows:

  • The psychology in general is oversimplified in the fic, mostly just re-framing it to fit the Author Tract better. The physics, however is uniformly terrible. For example, Harry's rant about shape shifting that appears as the page quote is correct in that it violates conservation of energy (which strangely didn't bother him when the levitation did it), but the details are nonsense suggesting the author knows the terms but not the underlying concepts (you actually can have unitarity without the Hamiltonian or conservation of energy and none of that has anything much to do with FTL signaling). Especially since he focuses on the relatively minor quantum effects instead of the reality-shattering and much more obvious implications in thermodynamics.

Now I might be biased here, but that just seems like someone who studied physics came to complain that the author didn't bother to learn quantum physics before reading the story. Critical Research Failure is supposed to concern violations of common knowledge; I had physcis in high school and I know little of such concepts. Even if we deem the example valid, it could use a rewrite due to the antagonistic tone.

Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.
rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Sep 19th 2019 at 2:21:22 PM

[up][up]That reminds me of this example of Good News, Bad News on Dragon Ball Kai:

  • Good news! Toei commissioned the Buu Saga to be created for the series. Bad news? They didn't have Q Tec work on the series, which has resulted in the show not having as clean a remaster, a weird green tint, permanent cropping, and the Hell scenes being retained for some reason, even though they completely contradict not only prior continuity in Kai, since Goku never went there, but also later continuity with what's shown of Frieza's Hell in Resurrection 'F' and Super.

Also, just have to point out that the 76th page started with Fallout 76.

Steel be with you.
Sep 20th 2019 at 10:50:41 AM

I apologize if this is the wrong place to ask this, but I have a question about this entry from Fire Emblem: Three Houses:

  • Story Branch Favoritism: Averted compared to Fire Emblem Fates. While Edelgard's route may seem like the "favored" route due to generally having the most promotional time compared to Dimitri and Claude, she is also a major antagonist on the other three routes, being the penultimate threat on two of them and the Final Boss on one of them. And each route (save arguably the Silver Snow route, which shares many story beats with the Verdant Wind route) are fully realized and tell a different side to the story. And unlike the Revelation path of Fates, there is no Golden Ending.

I'm not exactly sure why the entry feels the need to bring up Fates, but I suspect that the entry seems like it's trying to stealthily complain about Fates, given how that game is quite the complaint-magnet on this site. I don't even think the Fates comparisons even add all that much to the entry.

Sep 20th 2019 at 11:31:58 AM

[up]I say remove all together since there's been issues with using Aversions.

Gacha Is A Lie.
Berrenta Heating things up from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Heating things up
Sep 20th 2019 at 7:10:18 PM

Yeah, just axe it.

Sep 20th 2019 at 7:58:39 PM

Axed the entry and linked back to this thread as a reference. Thanks everyone.

rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Sep 20th 2019 at 10:06:06 PM

This entry on Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair sounds like misuse and complaining:

  • "Shaggy Dog" Story: The plot's main conflict was created internally, solved internally, and had little impact on the ongoing war against despair, besides getting Naegi accused of treason for all his good intentions as of Danganronpa 3 (with Kirigiri saying that even with the main characters getting a happy ending, their job still isn't over). Some have derisively referred to the whole kerfuffle as a glorified rematch between Enoshima and Fujisaki from beyond the grave.

Edited by rjd1922 on Sep 20th 2019 at 12:07:24 PM

Steel be with you.
Primis from Nsburg
Sep 21st 2019 at 12:31:28 PM

Ghost Whisperer's description was apparently written by somebody that doesn't like the show.

Edited by Primis on Sep 21st 2019 at 12:32:07 PM

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sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Sep 21st 2019 at 12:46:44 PM

Case in point, the very first paragraph of the description

It's also known as that show where Jennifer Love Hewitt traipses around in vintage clothing, often low-cut. The episodes follow a formula: Ghost makes its presence known, Melinda flutters about trying to help, Melinda helps the ghost with its business, everyone cries, ghost goes into The Light. The few instances where that doesn't happen involves the ancient spirits that inhabit Grandview, Melinda's town, and some prophecy involving Melinda and her abilities.
I took the liberty of cross posting this into the Improving work and creator page descriptions thread.
[up][up] I'm not sure. As written in not sure it follows the trope definition of "a plot with a high level of build-up and complicating action, only to be resolved with an anti-climax or ironic reversal, usually one that makes the entire story meaningless."

It sounds like the events of 2 aren't relevant to the events of 3, but that's not the same as saying 2 rendered its own plot meaningless.

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 21st 2019 at 1:52:43 PM

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Pichu-kun ...
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Sep 22nd 2019 at 5:48:38 AM

Under Harsher in Hindsight:

  • Melanie Martinez has written a few songs with themes of abuse and rape. While the events in the songs were played out as bad, it all becomes a lot creepier after an ex-friend of hers outed her as a rapist.

Is this kosher? It sounds definitive, but from what I've heard there were only allegations.

emeriin Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Sep 22nd 2019 at 8:19:21 AM

She herself admitted it was coercive ("they didn't say no...")

I cut up one dozen new men and you will die somewhat, again and again.
Sep 23rd 2019 at 3:21:31 AM

From YMMV.The Kings Avatar

Cant Un Hear It: Expect plenty of criticisms from viewers of the animated adaptation (primarily non-Chinese audiences) to state how uncomfortable or unexpected it is to hear Chinese dialogue when most animated works from Asia are produced by a Japanese studio using a Japanese voice cast. Irony ensues when the producers recycled some of the same voice actors from the animation into the live-action by dubbing over their actors.

The text it criticizing on how weird it is about watching a non anime animation with Chinese voices then about how people tend to associate actors to roles.

Edited by WhirlRX on Sep 23rd 2019 at 6:35:21 AM

Gacha Is A Lie.
GastonRabbit A troper draws near! from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
A troper draws near!
Sep 23rd 2019 at 4:46:08 AM

[up]I don't see how that has anything at all to do with Can't Un-Hear It. It looks like misuse in addition to complaining.

"Guess what? You got it for free. Are you proud of yourself?"
Berrenta Heating things up from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Heating things up
Sep 23rd 2019 at 7:10:45 AM

Yep, definitely worth removing.

Edit: done.

Edited by Berrenta on Sep 23rd 2019 at 9:12:37 AM

Pichu-kun ...
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Sep 23rd 2019 at 9:33:56 AM

[up](x4) So, is the example okay then?

emeriin Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Sep 23rd 2019 at 9:58:15 AM

I think so?

I cut up one dozen new men and you will die somewhat, again and again.
Sep 28th 2019 at 7:49:14 AM

The Selection is full of complaining and making fun of the series.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
miraculous I am so tired of this gothic crap from South Africa
I am so tired of this gothic crap
Sep 28th 2019 at 7:55:30 AM

Well you could probably remove that entire Broken Base section since its all one side complaining.

Just once, I want to meet the villain in a cheerful, brightly lit room. Possibly one with kittens
Sep 28th 2019 at 6:38:58 PM

Where do you even start with Cool Cat Saves the Kids? Pretty much every paragraph is bashing the film or the creator. Then there's the long tangents on the creator's behavior. That's the problem when a work's page is only contributed to by people who watched a review that bashes the work.

Sep 28th 2019 at 10:58:09 PM

[up][up][up] Cut the entire Broken Base section for being one-sided complaining.

Sep 28th 2019 at 11:29:03 PM

[up][up] If you think the main page is bad check the YMMV and Nightmare Fuel pages.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
porkyThegrumpiest don't ask me about my niche from South Pacific Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
don't ask me about my niche
Sep 29th 2019 at 8:47:04 AM

[up]There was one time where someone added an example about Savage doxxing people over criticism of his film in NightmareFuel.CoolCatSavesTheKids. It was probably cut down by someone (or probably me)

Edited by porkyThegrumpiest on Sep 29th 2019 at 10:48:20 PM

"A jump to the sky turns to a rider kick."
Sep 30th 2019 at 3:26:39 AM

For Better or for Worse is 90% complaints and theories about why something sucks, with a dollop of real-life person troping.

The Protomen enhanced my life.

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