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YMMV / Pocahontas II: Journey to a New World

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  • Author's Saving Throw: This movie attempts to bring some historical accuracy back into the continuity, which was a common complaint about the first film (though it was admitted that with the first film, they were going off the legend rather than the real-life history). Unfortunately, this was not without its share of new complaints; see Contested Sequel below.
  • Contested Sequel: Some fans may like that this movie attempts to be historically accurate by pairing Pocahontas up with John Rolfe and having her go to England. Others are of the opinion that, if the first movie was going to be historically accurate, it would never have paired Pocahontas and John Smith up in the first place, and that Disney should have left the shippers alone.
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  • Critical Research Failure: While the first movie at least admitted to being a straight up legend rather than incredibly accurate, the sequel has its fair share of unintentional goofs. For example, in one of the musical numbers, William Shakespeare is seen being writing the script for Hamlet... except that in the movie's timeline, Hamlet was already written and performed at least half a decade by then. There's also the fact that the King and his subjects are enjoying a bear baiting, which, instead of pitting dogs against a bear tied up to a stake (which admittedly would have been too graphic), is replaced with two jesters stabbing a bear with pitch forks. Not to mention complete misrepresentations of real life characters. Though, perhaps Shakespeare was revising Hamlet, as the play, like any other of Shakespeare's plays had been revised through the years after his death.
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  • Die for Our Ship: The Disney fanbase bashes John Rolfe for ending up with Pocahontas instead of Smith. Either that, or they act as if the sequel and/or the actual history doesn't exist and keep shipping John Smith/Pocahontas.
  • Ear Worm: "What a Day in London" is probably the catchiest song in the movie, although "Things Are Not What They Appear" surely ranks a close second.
  • Fanon Discontinuity: Never before has there been a Disney movie that's received more fan hate than the sequel, for obvious reasons. Disney has unfortunately made it harder for fans to disregard the sequel by releasing it and its predecessor on the same Blu-ray Disc.note  Although, since 2010 and Pocahontas's arrival in the Disney Princess line, the merchandising and everything else always depicts her with John Smith. Except in his own movie, Rolfe is pretty much unheard of now.
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  • Harsher in Hindsight: Pocahontas wearing powder on her face to make her skin lighter is uncomfortably reminiscent of the infamous redesigns of the Disney Princesses - where a lot of the skin tones on the darker princesses were lightened.
  • Inferred Holocaust: The sequel does address this as there's now a proper British settlement in Virginia but tensions between the settlers and natives are still high. Not to mention Pocahontas has to attempt to stop an Armada led against her people.
  • Launcher of a Thousand Ships: John Rolfe gets Crossover Shipped with practically ever Disney main female and many of the males as well.
  • Narm: There's John Rolfe's clenched teeth expression as Pocahontas is dragged away to the Tower of London. It's rather similar to a Raticate's default expression.
  • Never Live It Down: Busting up Pocahontas' relationship with John Smith in favor of John Rolfe, whom the real-life Pocahontas did marry. Most fans did not see the sense in this given the first film's disregard for historical accuracy. Tellingly, most subsequent media related to the original film have ignored this and continues to treat John Smith and Pocahontas as the true main couple of the series.
  • Nightmare Fuel:
    • The bear baiting scene. It probably would have been less freaky if they had sicced dogs on the bear.
    • Pocahontas getting taken away to the tower is quite intense as well. Seeing such a strong and usually fearless character being dragged away by guards, all the while calling for John Rolfe's help is very harrowing.
  • Replacement Scrappy: John Rolfe for coming between John Smith and Pocahontas. Of course, historically, Rolfe does marry Pocahontas, but fans of the Disney version think she belongs with Smith. Even Disney does not consider the sequel or its Pocahontas/Rolfe relationship canon. Disney continues to reaffirm Pocahontas/Smith as an official couple via merchandising, the parks and all other media.
  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap:
    • Divided as opinions on the movie are, many agree that Ratcliffe was a much more effective villain. He manages to use Pocahontas's Friend to All Living Things nature against her and nearly get her executed, and is generally more threatening because as an aristocrat, he's almost all-powerful in London, Pocahontas now being in his domain — and frighteningly can get away with it.
    • Although Pocahontas as a character isn't hated, some like how she has to go through more character struggles in this film. In the first, she was more of a catalyst to prevent a war. In the sequel, she has to deal with being out of place in London where her culture clashes with the English.
  • Tear Jerker:
    • "Where Do I Go from Here" ends with Pocahontas taking the compass John Smith gave her and burying it in the snow as an understated but moving tribute to him.
    • Nakoma's goodbye to Pocahontas. It's doubly sad if you don't take the film as fiction, as the real life Pocahontas died of smallpox while in London.
  • Values Dissonance: The clash of cultures was inevitable. However, it's played up a lot more in the sequel, where Pocahontas is shocked that a bear is chained up and calls the Europeans "Savages" for torturing an animal for personal entertainment (which naturally resonates with modern audiences).


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