Music Michael Jackson Discussion

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AfroThunder
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12:47:13 PM Feb 9th 2015
Concerning the HI Story page: Should we also include tropes applying to the original tracks from the Blood On the Dancefloor remix album, considering it wouldn't make sense to make a separate page for an expansion album that only has five or six new tracks.
Eagal
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04:35:26 PM Jan 7th 2015
edited by 108.19.84.216
Took these out because the page is about Jackson's career, not his personal life.

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He was almost as well-known for becoming an Eccentric Millionaire in the progress; by decade's end his exotic menagerie of pets and elaborate Neverland Valley Ranch estate were the stuff of celebrity legend.

In the 1990s, while he still was a top-grossing musician with further albums and concert tours, his public image slowly disintegrated. His noticable changes in appearance over the years, chalked up to plastic surgery and the skin disorder vitiligo, became a point of notoriety. Moreover, starting in 1993, several young boys would accuse Jackson of molesting them. Jackson was adamant in his proclamations of innocence, but this permanently soiled his reputation of being a charitable Friend to All Children. The one case that went to trial over 2003-05 found him not guilty, while he reached out-of-court settlements with two other accusers. Debates regarding his guilt or innocence remain highly charged to this day, and in the interest of avoiding edit wars and Internet Backdraft, it's best to keep the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment in mind here. Jackson's musical output decreased in this period. He only released one original album in the 2000s, and he did not go on any concert tours.

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This occurred during an almost surreal two-week period between June 21 and July 4 densely populated with celebrity deaths including those of Ed McMahon; Sky Saxon; Farrah Fawcett (who died on the same day as Jackson); Billy Mays; Mollie Sugden; Harve Presnell; Karl Malden; and Steve McNair. It was dubbed the "Summer of Death" or the "2009 Celebrity Death Wave". David Carradine, who died two weeks before the beginning of the period, and Patrick Swayze, who died in September of that year, are often included with that group.
Larkmarn
06:39:57 AM Jan 8th 2015
For MJ, we'd be remiss to include a bit of mention of his personal life because that's often included in how he gets portrayed in fiction. Including that leads to a deeper understanding of the various portrayals of MJ in works, which is a part of the purpose of these pages (almost like a combined Creator/Useful Notes).
Eagal
10:59:02 AM Jan 9th 2015
Don't have a particular preference, so if you wanna readd a bit about it I won't object.
AfroThunder
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04:10:19 PM May 28th 2014
What happened to the YMMV page? I get he's a massive base breaker, but last I checked, it wasn't that bad.
Larkmarn
05:38:29 AM May 29th 2014
If it got cut, presumably it was because people don't get YMMV pages. That said, he can have one if it's actually about his music and not just talking about his personal life.
AfroThunder
08:27:08 PM May 29th 2014
Excluding a few wrestling pages, there's more than a few real life examples on TV Tropes with YMMV pages that don't focus on their work. That's really the only reason I find it strange.
SeptimusHeap
12:56:03 AM May 30th 2014
Yeah, because these pages haven't been cut yet.
Sapphirea2
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08:46:32 AM May 23rd 2014
A Man Is Not a Virgin is not supposed to have real life examples. I realize that it's a lot to get rid of, but shouldn't that whole chunk of info go? In fact, it seems much of the page has been derailed by justifying edits and info with a similar pro-Jackson slant (i.e., the discussion of the child molestation allegations in the main description). Perhaps it's time to bring in the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment and acknowledge that there are aspects of his life that aren't exactly cut and dried?
Larkmarn
09:04:33 AM May 23rd 2014
Honestly, the vast majority of this page needs to be pruned. It's troping a real life person. We're supposed to be troping his works, not him.

I'm going to go through here with a chainsaw.
Sapphirea2
08:27:55 AM May 27th 2014
Well, I've been pruning out the No Real Life Examples tropes. As well, can the Bunny-Ears Lawyer and Friendly Rivalry stuff be pruned too? (It doesn't help their cases that much of it isn't sourced, i.e. the claims about his I.Q. and all.)
Larkmarn
08:40:07 AM May 27th 2014
Pulled a few more.

Pretty sure Bunny-Ears Lawyer can go, but I'm not sure about the Friendly Rivalry, though.
Sapphirea2
09:30:15 AM May 27th 2014
Friendly Rivalry can stay — I just don't think it needs so many bullet points/examples. Same with Bunny-Ears Lawyer, especially since so much of it is unsourced.
Sapphirea2
11:37:41 AM May 27th 2014
Also, shouldn't the main description be severely pruned? The slanted, pro-Jackson bias isn't appropriate and it's so long — perhaps it would be better to trim his biography to a summary with a warning about the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment and Internet Backdraft?
Sapphirea2
01:23:43 PM Jun 5th 2014
I cut most of Bunny-Ears Lawyer a few days ago, but I see it's been reinstated. I don't want an Edit War, so what's the best course of action?
SeptimusHeap
10:13:46 PM Jun 5th 2014
Is it the same editor who added the example in the first place?
Sapphirea2
09:43:29 AM Jun 6th 2014
Looks to be the case, an editor named "aprillis". Correct me if I'm wrong!
Catbert
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11:19:13 AM Jan 29th 2013

Bunny Tropes is an index, not a trope. This use also does not appear to clearly match any one of the currently Bunny Tropes. Moving to the discussion.
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