12:47:13 PM Feb 9th 2015
Concerning the HI Story page: Should we also include tropes applying to the original tracks from the Blood On the Dancefloor remix album, considering it wouldn't make sense to make a separate page for an expansion album that only has five or six new tracks.
04:35:26 PM Jan 7th 2015
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edited by 22.214.171.124
Took these out because the page is about Jackson's career, not his personal life.
He was almost as well-known for becoming an Eccentric Millionaire in the progress; by decade's end his exotic menagerie of pets and elaborate Neverland Valley Ranch estate were the stuff of celebrity legend. In the 1990s, while he still was a top-grossing musician with further albums and concert tours, his public image slowly disintegrated. His noticable changes in appearance over the years, chalked up to plastic surgery and the skin disorder vitiligo, became a point of notoriety. Moreover, starting in 1993, several young boys would accuse Jackson of molesting them. Jackson was adamant in his proclamations of innocence, but this permanently soiled his reputation of being a charitable Friend to All Children. The one case that went to trial over 2003-05 found him not guilty, while he reached out-of-court settlements with two other accusers. Debates regarding his guilt or innocence remain highly charged to this day, and in the interest of avoiding edit wars and Internet Backdraft, it's best to keep the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment in mind here. Jackson's musical output decreased in this period. He only released one original album in the 2000s, and he did not go on any concert tours.
This occurred during an almost surreal two-week period between June 21 and July 4 densely populated with celebrity deaths including those of Ed McMahon; Sky Saxon; Farrah Fawcett (who died on the same day as Jackson); Billy Mays; Mollie Sugden; Harve Presnell; Karl Malden; and Steve McNair. It was dubbed the "Summer of Death" or the "2009 Celebrity Death Wave". David Carradine, who died two weeks before the beginning of the period, and Patrick Swayze, who died in September of that year, are often included with that group.
06:39:57 AM Jan 8th 2015
For MJ, we'd be remiss to include a bit of mention of his personal life because that's often included in how he gets portrayed in fiction. Including that leads to a deeper understanding of the various portrayals of MJ in works, which is a part of the purpose of these pages (almost like a combined Creator/Useful Notes).
10:59:02 AM Jan 9th 2015
Don't have a particular preference, so if you wanna readd a bit about it I won't object.
11:13:13 PM Nov 7th 2016
I call bullshit on this; other pages about creators (David Bowie, Will Smith, Johnny Depp, Bill Cosby) have no problem going into the personalities and personal lives of the subject as well as their creative bodies of work, and will list the related tropes where appropriate. It feels more like attempting to restrict this particular page purely to his body of work is just an attempt to stick to Never Speak Ill of the Dead. Hell, until recently, Jackson had Overshadowed by Controversy on his YMMV page, but it didn't even list was the controversy was. Just that, hypothetically, there may have been a controversy in his life that overshadowed certain things. Do the same people who claim "It's only about his work, his personal life has no place" feel the same way about THESE particular tropes being listed?
05:55:21 AM Nov 8th 2016
I'm not entirely familiar with what is and isn't allowed on YMMV pages (especially since most of the ones I visit are of pro wrestlers and the lines between the person and the character are a bit more complicated due to the fact that wrestlers essentially live their characters) but in my opinion, trying to pretend these controversies didn't exist is more insulting to Michael and his legacy than acknowledging them. Other Tropers will probably disagree, but as long as there's no Flame Bait or edit warring going on, I believe the controversies should be acknowledged. Ultimately, that's up to the moderators though.
04:10:19 PM May 28th 2014
What happened to the YMMV page? I get he's a massive base breaker, but last I checked, it wasn't that bad.
05:38:29 AM May 29th 2014
If it got cut, presumably it was because people don't get YMMV pages. That said, he can have one if it's actually about his music and not just talking about his personal life.
08:27:08 PM May 29th 2014
Excluding a few wrestling pages, there's more than a few real life examples on TV Tropes with YMMV pages that don't focus on their work. That's really the only reason I find it strange.
08:46:32 AM May 23rd 2014
A Man Is Not a Virgin is not supposed to have real life examples. I realize that it's a lot to get rid of, but shouldn't that whole chunk of info go? In fact, it seems much of the page has been derailed by justifying edits and info with a similar pro-Jackson slant (i.e., the discussion of the child molestation allegations in the main description). Perhaps it's time to bring in the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment and acknowledge that there are aspects of his life that aren't exactly cut and dried?
09:04:33 AM May 23rd 2014
Honestly, the vast majority of this page needs to be pruned. It's troping a real life person. We're supposed to be troping his works, not him. I'm going to go through here with a chainsaw.
08:27:55 AM May 27th 2014
08:40:07 AM May 27th 2014
09:30:15 AM May 27th 2014
Friendly Rivalry can stay — I just don't think it needs so many bullet points/examples. Same with Bunny-Ears Lawyer, especially since so much of it is unsourced.
11:37:41 AM May 27th 2014
01:23:43 PM Jun 5th 2014
10:13:46 PM Jun 5th 2014
Is it the same editor who added the example in the first place?
11:19:13 AM Jan 29th 2013