Discussion JustForFun / DaringDo

Agreed, what happened to all the other subpages?

We might be able to make them all individual Just for Fun pages. I have the pages up on the Wayback Machine right now and therefor have easy access to the coding for them. Something tells me we (and by we I mean I) would get super in troubke if we did that, though.

Why's that? And is there another place to put them up that won't bother people?

Just popping in to say I'm also sad to see those subpages go, I spent many hours editing them once upon a time. I came here for a trip down memory lane and was quite disappointed to see all of them gone.

Daring Do and the Time Stream? Just make the fountain water come from apparently nowhere but is actually magical time water from another dimension.

"So are you saying the water of the fountain comes from a literal time stream?"

"Yes."

"Why do ponies love puns do much?"

Should Rainbow Dash be part of Daring Do or we can just think of those episodes as fanfiction Rainbow Dash wrote or daydreamed?

Personally I'd add them as an EU trilogy, bringing in their characters and events, but with the caveat that what works with what's been written is taken and everything else is reworked to fit, rather than the other way around.

Now that the latest episode has made references to the book, what's our stance on the Collection? Still EU or are we reworking the canon list?

Regardless of what we do about the three books, I would like to at least see some of the characters introduced in them to be added to the characters page like her uncle Gallant True and Rosy Thorns.

Just for reference in case we decide to use it, here's A.K. Yearling's "official" biography:

"A.K. Yearling's adventure novels starring the fearless Daring Do have been recognized as the best-selling series in Equestria history. Yearling holds a degree in Literature from Pranceton University. After college, she briefly worked as a researcher at the National Archives for Equestrian Artifacts and Ponthropology in Canterlot. During that time, she wrote an essay based on her findings on the Griffon territories entitled "What was the Name of that Griffon Again? Or Beak and Roaming Studies Recalled." It was published last year by the University of Equexeter's journal, Pegasus. She enjoys quiet time at home alone and long trots on the beach."

The book titles are as follows:

Daring Do and the Marked Thief of Marapore!,

Daring Do and the Eternal Flower,

Daring Do and the Forbidden City of Clouds.

Then again this is by the same person who did the chapter books and we didn't add the two Daring Do books they bought up in those so, eh.

Wasn't what I was going for, sorry. I was trying to go for a more toony vibe using the fact that the Short Stories aren't 'canon'. But if that's what people think, and it's not just overeaction, I'll remove said material. If I unintentionally crossed the line to a creepy place I'm sorry. Again, just trying to see what a toony vibe to counterbalance the more serious stuff that's been done, using the Short Stories Non-Canonicity, sorry if I made things weird.

No, no, my apologies. I misinterpreted and overreacted. It's my fault. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Thank you. And I understand that you were just making sure everything was fine with the page.

The Mane 6 (and presumably the rest of the public) didn't know Daring Do was real. So it's safe to say that it's still best to pretend she's not real.

Honestly, I think we should just have our little thing be an alternate universe. Trying to force all the stuff we did into the actual series canon will just bring headaches.

Speaking of which, should we just move Ring of Destiny to the expanded universe?

That I disagree with.

By replacing the "secretive author" bit with that name in the description.

Maybe we'll retcon it to state that it was published anonymously for the first few years, then the cat got out. We'll also have to shift the timeline I think.

I was just thinking something about how Twilight's mom wrote this series should be added.

I think the Reading Rainbowverse does to some extent, as well as the Pony In A Box Productions.

Also, Clato Lawa is writing a fanfic that uses this but from an authorial perspective (it's about Ember Roundup trying to get Trixie on board with the upcoming Daring Do and the Alicorn Amulet).

I meant a Daring Do fanfic about Daring Do. Like if there is a Daring Do and the Quest for the Sapphire Stone, or a Daring Do and the Griffon's Goblet, or Daring Do and the Curse of the Yeti, that uses the TV Tropes Fannon?

Like I said, the Daring Do stuff from Pony In A Box.

Sorry and Tank you very much.

Perfect indeed

Yes

We could switch out one of the less developed works.

Also, I took a look at the story on /mlp. It appears to have been written before season 3 was completed, since there were some contradictions with some of season 3.

I say hold off until they bring it into season 4.

Erm, why hold off? Even if Crystal Heart Spell has a few inconsistencies with season 3, the Daring Do reference in it is still more official than anything on this page except for Sapphire Stone and Griffon's Goblet.

/mlp/ is not an author. It's a section of 4chan. Yes, that 4chan. Jungle of Terror has 113 authors, most of them just known as "Anonymous".

If I can get away with it, Imma add as many tropes from Jungle of Terror as I can to our Daring Do page (Evil Laugh goes here)

Totally. They already think we're all nuts, so why not?

And get a Cease and Desist Letter?

Winter Wrap-Up is the day before the first day of spring.

I had imagined a slightly older cousin myself, but it's your call. And yeah, "relative" is getting a little awkward.

I also apologize if I come off as a hypocrite for this, considering the Coltist purge.

You know, considering one of the in-universe criticisms of the Blood Diamonds books is about how they did not use pre-established characters, why don't we have the horrible things happen to original characters?

Don't feel too bad about the Coltist Purge. Before we established what would become the character Attic Fan, I was under the impression that only the Colt Leader made it out in Amber of the Smooze. Besides, EU works are not mandated to be in canon with each other anyway.

Agreed. If shock is the goal, we could give her proper characterization for her fate to be properly horrifying for the reader.

Taking an established character from a different continuity and doing this to her without proper warning, foreshadowing or involvement from the rest of the continuity seems a bit cheap, and needlessly cruel to the character's creator, in my opinion. Not to mention that this character comes from the Young Daring Do series. In universe, this would be getting tremendous backlash, and would lead to the author's sanity being questioned. This would show up on the equestrian tvtropes' DMOS page with several agreeing on this very moment.

I would give final say to whoever made the sentai, though.

I haven't read too much into what exactly happened, but it's probably in very bad taste to do take someone else's character and derail him/her into something "perverse" (again, I don't know what happened). Especially if it wasn't the intention of the character in the first place.

It is one of the main reasons why that Cupcakes fic is so reviled in the fandom itself.

Yeah, as the guy behind the Harmony Sentai, I'd rather Kimono not be tortured to insanity.

Nothing against creative freedom, but the basic idea behind the team was Power Rangers, and doing that to Kimono is just too close for my liking to the infamous Agony In Pink fanfic (that incidentally was responsible for all explicit adult material getting banned from fanfiction.net).

Yeah, I can get behind that.

Actually, on second thought, I think I'll add a Part 2 to the last book with a note stating that it was written as 2 parts but released as one book. How does that sound?

Actually, on second thought, I think I'll add a Part 2 to the last book with a note stating that it was written as 2 parts but released as one book. How does that sound?

No, someone just changed the page type. Reverted.

Note to others: Please leave this as a work. The namespace is already Just for Fun, so it's more convenient.

They already have minimall continuity, but sure.

I don't see a problem with it, either.

Not exactly, but Miss Starlight and Short Stuff in "Cove of Candles" are basically Willie Scott and Short Round. Since they're dealing with pirates instead of an evil cult, there's no heart-ripping scene if that's what you're after. Since I'm the one who created Starlight and Short Stuff, I'm going to be throwing in more allusions in the quotes.

Go for it.

Go for it. It's functionally like 5 books, might as well.

Include Daren.

If you've got ideas, feel free to include them.

The Expanded Universe is supposed to be unconnected with each other except for specific subseries, with various authors choosing what canon they use, the Tinker's series being a notable exception.

Alright. I guess I'll be bringing him back eventually, then.

You don't need to have him killed in the first place. Krastos' death is only relevant in the Tinker's Series.

Alright.

I'd also suggest we put character-specific information on the main page in their character page.

Quotes page? I like that idea.

I have no idea how to make one, unfortunately, so I'll either need someone to teach me how, or just make one. Sorry...

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Quotes/DaringDo

Thanks. I've started adding a few quotes from the actual pages, and will be adding some of my own-anyone else please feel free to do the same!^^

We love you too.

Seconded.

Thirded.

Fourth'd!

Fifth'd

Sixth.

Seventh'd.

Ninth'd.

Sorry I'm late! Eighth'd!

David Tennanted!!!

...Matt Smithed?

Ummm, Inspector Spacetime'th'd? You guys aren't making this easy for me. Fun, but not easy!

Uh... just assume I'm hijacking Rinella Was Here's "Ninth'd" and replacing it with "Christopher Eccleston'd"

What if instead of a Doofinshmirtz, we make it a Dr. Horrible, pre death of Penny, of course. Back when Captain Hammer ate his lunch.

Dr Adorable.

Okay, I've now found one for Quest for the Sapphire Stone over on FIM Fiction: Link

Is there some process to have these made "official", for lack of a better word?

If they didn't have internet, how could they be on TV Tropes?

It's mainly just for fun anyways, MST3K Mantra and all that.

For MLP:Fi M proper, Lauren Faust has said that she was trying to keep it as low-tech as possible, BUT if they needed something higher-tech for any reason, throw it in. Heck, the episode that spawned this whole Daring Do mess (wonderful mess!) has a lot of Schizo Tech — the hospital has X-rays, but Rainbow Dash uses a lantern filled with fireflies to read by. Shifting even further into fiction for the Daring Do version of Equestria, just go with whatever works best for the scene.

And they now have video games as proven by Hearts and Hooves Day, so I think many forms of technology are a go at this point.

Don't know if it really should count, but in a recent commercial for new episodes of Pound Puppies, Pinkie's somehow managed to procure herself a desktop computer at the library.

It could be an Expanded Universe Young Daring novel.

Potholes no longer work in hottips, though plain links done with wiki words or curly braces are fine. The paragraph will have to be rewritten to avoid using the hottip.

it's already been sent to EQD, no clue about ponychan.

And it has appeared on EQD, good job everypony.

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/02/daring-do-gets-her-own-tvtropes-page.html

And now they have a poll up, asking which side story would we like. I feel guilty now, because the Doctor Who fan in me won't let me vote for this.

This page must be sent to Hasbro and Lauren Faust!

Hey! It's appeared in two episodes! Though this page does predate that second one, so...

But yeah, was very happy to discover the existence of this myself.

Want to know what's even more crazy? A group of us are getting together to actually write these stories, based around what appears on this page!

Defictionalization is now in progress? Awesome, Wiki Magic is powerful enough to will stories into existance after the trope page is created!

Good to know, I found myself really wanting to read these after perusing the page! Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to. Curse you reality!

The title here is "Daring Do and the Sapphire Stone." The picture is the one for the Griffon's Goblet. This is an error. I believe that someone here has already come up with an explanation for this.

It's Twi's personal copy, one of the first extant copies with the rare Misprint Cover.

Darers? Maybe a subset of them who are fangirls of Ahuizotl are called "Ahuizotl's kitties"?

Daredevils.

^ Yes.

^ Yes Yes.

It does not appear like he did...

Yes, it seems. Anyway, anything with 14364 inbounds shouldn't be cut, please.

This page is also getting inbound hits from outside the wiki, so it is clearly notable in itself and should not be cut.

And, even if it wasn't, there's no reason to cut the page just because someone doesn't like ponies. He could always just, I don't know, not come here if he doesn't like it.

Yeah, nearly 15000 inbounds? No reason at all to cut this. It isn't a stub, and it's not hurting anybody. We need to get this out of there.

It should be noted that pages like this do exist elsewhere, like Inspector Spacetime. If we get rid of this page (which I disagree with), pages like it should go too, else it would just seem like Brony hating.

This page isn't very hard to avoid so if someone really doesn't like it then they can just ignore it.

The page should not be cut! It has 15,000 inbound links and growing! It's spun off of an episode from a cartoon series that spawned probably the largest online fanbase today and which TVTropes has hundreds of pages dedicated to it!

Why in flying frick is cutting this page even a question? It's not causing trouble, it's fun, and it's not like it's being forced down anyone's throat.

So I assume he's also putting up Inspector Spacetime, Candle Cove, The Ugly Barnacle, et al. to be cut since tehre the exact same thing.

Just looked on the Discussion pages for each of these^. All had at least one instance of possibly getting cutlisted in each of their run online. .... if Just for Fun pages are ALL threatened for being cutlisted, why do we have the Just for Fun section in the first place?!

Cutting this page s ridiculous! It was even featured on Equestra Daily, the main site or the fandom! It's for fun, other sites refer to it and it doesn't interfere wth the rest of the wiki. Not to mention the fact that fanfics are being based on it or the fact that imilar pages already exist.

And the cut was declined! *hooray*

Looks like Starbound was also suspended for going on a MLP examples deltion spree.

@Kyun: Some tropers have no sense of humor or fun, sadly.

I think there's also a Fallout Equestria reference.

Also, in case you were wondering, there's a second, more obscure, Legends Of The Hidden Temple reference in the Dungeon Bypass entry.

I threw in one to Friendship Is Witchcraft.

I added an obvious one for The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening

Well if Gardens of Equestria isn't a Fallout Equestria reference then certainly intend to make it one.

Yup it was :) Glad somepony noticed

And I spy The Librarian

I'll make a timestamped backup once I get home.

Aaaaaaaand done for the main sections. Just For Fun, YMMV, WMG, Headscratchers, and Characters have been backed up.

Yeah, I was wondering about that too.

I mean, can we remove it? It doesn't really fit into Daring Do's genre. Besides, these are meant to be for young readers...

I say go for it or rewrite them as Expanded Universe works.

On the main page, the entry for Great Offscreen War currently describes it as "The third Griffon-Diamond Dog War, which ended not long before the series is set."

Since there isn't much else, I'm guessing it's currently open for (reasonable) additional detail.

I assumed it happened about 10-20 years prior to Sapphire Stone.

Based on an earlier edit comment, I think that it's supposed to be vague

With the EU we can pretty much run wild.

I was the one who added the NMM section, and I added the "unknown" part first. However, I guess it is up to the person who claimed the story to decide which way it's going to be. Feel free to change my original edit, if you so choose.

I removed my line stating that what is said is unknown.

I think we know what she says before bolting him to the sky, but we don't know what she says afterward.

If we want to claim a story, do we actually have to end up writing an actual fanfic?

that's kinda the idea.

I'm kind of interested in doing the Cloud-Held Eternity, but I've never really written fiction before and I'm not certain how well I'd do a story aimed at younger audiences (I usually write grant applications)... Should I go for it?

only way to find out is to try it.

OK. In that case, could I get my name (Trivial) added to the claimed fics list for "Cloud-Held Eternity?"

Having a "fanon bible" is fine, but I really don't want to see fully-fledged fanfics developed out of them : Keep in mind, the point of these pages is that it's a mock tvtropes page of a fictional work of fiction. It's supposed to resemble a real half-way to fully developed tvtropes page of a real work. Also, half the fun is to come up with ideas that could theoretically appear in the work and seeing others come up with their own material. Since there is no actual piece of fiction (aside from what was presented in "Read it and Weep") anyone could add what ever they want as long as it fits (and given what's been written already, it's very broad). Making a full fanfiction out of the "books" would kinda defeat the purpose and the page pretty much becomes just like every other Tvtropes page based on a fanfic.

TR;DR version: I don't want fully developed fanfics written out of the material on the page because that would kill the spontaneousness that makes these pages special.

EDIT: However, I don't mind if fanfics were written about the stuff on the pages, I just don't want it to go backward and have tvtropes page become about those potential fanfics.

Thanks!

Why not just declare you are doing a fanfic, and give it a title that isn't one of those listed?

That way you would be completely free to do what fanfic does: take bits from the "original" and re-imagine them as you please.

The existence of an Extended Universe, adaptations, and fanfic have already been given as fact on the main page. You would just be creating one of those, allowing the TV Tropes entry to continue to shift and be spontaneous.

PDL: Do you really think it's wise to NEVER pin down actual stories, and just let the tropes page continue to grow unchecked? Right now, it's an awesome fragmented summary of some wicked-sounding stories. After another, oh, say, 400 tropes or so, won't it stop making sense and collapse under its own weight? It's still unique if the stories get written - it's a tropes page that produced a work, as opposed to the other way around.

I agree. I already removed some stuff, like the drinking game.

What I don't understand is that the book series is supposed to be for grade school kids. Why are there so many things that make it seem like it's for an older audience? (and you can't exactly explain it all as Getting Crap Past the Radar because it's so overt}. Not to mention that the villains are portrayed as complete monsters when the only real villain was portrayed as just really hammy and cliché.

If the series really is for school kids, then the content should kinda reflect that at least.

Well, I think the level of objectionable content is meant to mirror Indiana Jones - there is violence, and in rare cases even death, but a young, idealistic, adventurous tone keeps things light and not too scary.

...At least until Temple of Nightmare Moon, anyway.

I guess it's sort of like Harry Potter. The first three books were for kids, but had death, vampirism, a complete monster villain, body horror and all sorts of fun stuff... Then they got darker.

It's not for grade school kids, that's what the Young Adventures series is for. target demo for the main series seems to be late teens early twenties.

Ahem

"The stories quickly became one of the most well-known classics in modern Equestrian literature, and are popular with grade-school pony classes. There's also a large adult fanbase as well; Princess Celestia herself has even praised the series. It is as of yet unknown if the series as a whole is complete or if further volumes will be "found"."

How can you claim that it's not for grade school kids when it says EXACTLY THAT in the main page? This is about the "core sixteen" books BTW. Also there are a number of references to a large Periphery Demographic consisting of adults. It wouldn't make sense to have this bit of information when adults were the target demographic all along.

Anyway, as I see it, the series appears to be much like Tintin (Which in a way is a grandpappy of the genre that Indiana Jones is a part off): It's supposed to be a decades-old series that was originally written for children (pony children in this case), but it's now probably considered Fair for Its Day. It would get a higher rating if it was a newer series, but since it's been around for longer then the ratings themselves were around for, it's under the effect of a Grandfather Clause. It being a Harry Potter analogue also fits in.

Added to the YMMV page: What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?

Certainly, this is something that the modern Equestrian reader of this classic might be wondering, as well.

I'm starting to have moral issues with some of my ideas for Krastos, so I'm gonna tone it down with him, because I'm starting to feel like a terrible person.

Whoops, I meant to create a new topic, not respond to this one. My mistake.

How about making Daring not like guns? Although she may have one, but perhaps she only really uses it as a last resort. Also there's a crowning moment of funny entry where the swordspony gag occurs and she bucks a rock into his face.

The artifacts are nearly every single major artifact from every book so far, and a few that we've never seen before that are from as yet un written of adventures

Way i'm seeing it, the macguffin from the real temple is retrieved very early in the story, almost as a prologue adventure, and this was the last item Ahuizotl needed, so soon as Daring (after Nagridge's suggestion) gets all the artifacts set up, Ahuizotl swoops in and takes over, and starts enacting his grand plan.

Thanks for the reply, but I'm not sure that answered either question... -__-;

"nearly every single major artifact" - EXCEPT which? Or shall I just wing it? "the macguffin from the real temple" - Which is WHAT, specifically? Cause I can wing that too.

I'm fine with filling in these blanks myself. I just wanted to know if anypony had already pinned the answers down.

The Uzis?

Well, given that Nagridge is based on Umbridge, you might consider the Harry Potter angle (yeah, the Death Eaters are based off the Nazis, but you don't need a word-for-word reference).

The Gen 1 series apparently had Nazi penguins. Maybe you could use those instead.

Looks like you can do it by clicking the "logged in" link at the top of a normal page. Besides maybe your brother's overly stupid comments are exactly what we need to further fuel the adventures of Daring Do.

Thanks for telling me. Although, fortunately, he agreed to make his own account, so he can use that to edit in the future. We'll just have to wait and see if they work.

Alright, once the editing is free, I'm going to remove Krastos' connections to Nightmare Moon and Discord so that I'm not meddling too much in MLP canon.

I had been thinking about Krastos the Glue Maker recently, so I added some things about Krastos involving a possible scene in one of his expanded universe stories. I had the idea that one of the later scenes in that story could be that he goes to Chineigh (obvious Ancient China parody) and gets an artifact called the Jade Glue of Xiao Ma, which is a sort of power magnifier for him. It is made from the souls of damned Chineighse ponies encased in a jade glue pot. He uses the artifact to achieve his second form and also to destroy Chineigh. Maybe Daring Do could have her final battle with him in Chineigh, almost get defeated by his sudden increase of power, but somehow re-banish him to the coronet and reverse the destruction done on Chineigh. You can revert my edits if you want, I was just making some suggestions.

That sounds good, except I was imagining him being an often-recurring villain-maybe she could defeat him by having it turn out that the Sapphire Statue takes away most of his power, which would revert him to his normal form and force him to wait a while before fighting Daring again. She could use that method to de-power him whenever he gets too powerful in future appearances as well, allowing for several appearances from him. Plus, the Coronet was already destroyed, so he couldn't be re-sealed in it. Otherwise, that's really good!

Nope, "derring" and "daring" sound exactly the same, barring strange accents. I'm not sure how it's supposed to work, either, but it's still kinda funny.

Derring is pronounced as during?

Nope. My dictionary says they are the same. If you know how to pronounce "Daring" then you know how to pronounce "Derring."

Whelp, then F-the punk who made that decision. Though it does fan the sibling rivalry flames quite well.

It's like human parents naming their children Joe and Jo. Barring George Foreman, I don't think there are many people out there who would give their children identical-sounding names, due to the confusion it can lead to. I'm strongly in favor of changing it, but what's a similar sounding term that would make a good pony name...?

At least it's not as bad as The Adventures of Pete and Pete.

Personally, I like the Derring angle, plus it's a text-based series so having something that comes down entirely to text kind of makes sense. Maybe could have a mention under Adaptation Decay or something that there's a tendency to change Derring's name or pronounce it oddly.

Them having the exact same name was the whole point in adding Derring.

We appear to be not going with that for now.

Well we need to have something come out. The summary says the ring releases a monster, and you can't promise a monster and not deliver one.

I actually used my interpretation of Krastos the Glue Maker (an ancient demon) for that, but if anyone feels that it should be something different, I can delete it.

Well, I feel it shouldn't be something based on a joke. Since the Marengeti is a play on the African desert, I think it should be something like a giant crocodile or something.

Well, I was planning on taking out the "Glue Maker" part, so he could be taken more seriously-I still do kind of like the reference for the name. Maybe a giant crocodile named Krastos?

Well, I feel that the only proper name for an African crocodile monster is Sobek, since that was the name of the Egyptian crocodile god.

Good point. I'll just switch Krastos to being in the Expanded Universe, then, and you can do the idea of Sobek.

Just throwing this in here, but here's a South African legend of a reptilian creature.

Alrighty then.

@sniperfish: That or mokele mbembe could be in the future, but not the original series.

Or maybe the Inkanyamba, but I'm not sure if Mokele Mbembe could work as a antagonist though.

FFF I can't html tag. haven't been here in a while so i forgot how the hyperlink works XD

I think the TV Tropes Daring Do universe is separate from the other universes. Neither side has any obligation to each other.

The plan we worked out was that the existing two and any more really good Daring Do fics would be counted as in verse fanfics. not sure why someone hasn't started a fanfic reqs page for it yet.

The plan appears to have been just that, writing the "Fanfic Rec Page" so that it reads like a list of notably "Expanded Universe" stories. Not sure how that's going.

Not sure if that's possible with Just for Fun pages.

Well, I switched the classification to "work" instead of "fun". I do this because The Ugly Barnacle is classified as "work".

So is Inspector Spacetime which is the same EXACT thing, just for a different show.

Anyway, I do prefer that it is classified as "work", as it allows it to parallel our actual work pages.

Keep moving the character tropes from the main page to the Character page! :D

That seems to be the idea, yes. Just make sure doesn't contradict something already established and it should be golden.

Yes, anything is possible, but within what is already added. Please read what is here before adding or editing anything. Also, some tropers agreed that the limit to the CANON series is 16 volumes, but you may add more Expanded Universe stories and complete the rest of the young adult version of the series to 5.

Yeah, that's pretty much it. The 16 book limit is there because in the episode there were apparently 16 books on Twilight's shelf, and if we don't have some sort of maximum number the page might just balloon a bit too much.