Marth Debuted in "Smash Bros." is seems to be a trivia trope that was typed as a Useful Note. Terrible name, tho.
Irrelevant Thesis appears to be a logical fallacy trope and I have no idea what we are doing with those. I was told to leave them off the original list but it appears that I missed a couple.
edited 5th Aug '14 4:13:09 PM by rexpensive
For what it's worth, the reason why I am inclined to not put the logical fallacies into Useful Notes articles is because of what was discussed here
regarding tropes.
Also, I would suggest to go through the page in alphabetic order, so that we don't get too many items at once.
I'll also notify ~Mark Lungo, since they seem to be the primary driver of this effort.
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about Marth Debuted in "Smash Bros.": Changed the page type to trope since it is on the Main/Trivia page and provides the interrobang symbol when used on a work page.
edited 6th Aug '14 6:43:52 AM by TheOneWhoTropes
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Grand Poobah of Crimestrikers
Message received, Septimus. Just Trying to Help. Thanks!
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OK, well I may be missing some things but here is C and D
Cab Driver's Fallacy - fallacy page
Chinese Mythology - mythology, IIRC a myth name space is being discussed. This is basically a works page for chinese myths in general.
Circular Reasoning - another fallacy
Classical Mythology - myth, and definitely set up like a work page.
Conscious Hip Hop - genre
Converse Error - another fallacy
Country Rap - genre
Cukoloris - written like a trope
The CSI Effect - marked as trivia
Dark Wave - genre
Deathcore - genre
Doom Metal - genre
Doujin Soft - video game genre
Dubstep - genre
edited 7th Aug '14 8:58:33 AM by rexpensive
I'll comment on that soon, but first things: Does anyone disagree with me asking for the removal of the bulleted items in the top post?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Well I am not sure about whether or not genres should count be useful notes or tropes, however I think that removing them now so no one spends a bunch of time namespacing them is a good idea. They can always be put back. Same with the fallacies.
Yep, genres go in Main/, not in UN. Also, I support the delisting of Marth Debuted in "Smash Bros.".
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on removing everything mentioned so far.
Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty
Found one you may have skipped Ba Gua, while typed as a Useful Notes page, has the trope list for the I Ching book, which should really have a separate page in Literature. Also, since I will have to go to Wikipedia to find out about Ba Gua, the page is more like a normal trope page for the I Ching than a Useful Notes page that would explain the various trigrams and what they mean. I've also changed the page type of Ashcan Copy to trope for the same reason as Marth Debuted in "Smash Bros.". I went down the Ashcan Copy related to page moving stuff to Trivia recently.
edited 10th Aug '14 2:36:41 AM by TheOneWhoTropes
Keeper of The Celestial Flame
Messaging ~Koveras, since they have been typing the various "<Season> <Year> Anime" entries as Useful Notes, even though we usually type indexes as index.
Anyhow, dispatched a first removal request for the items listed in the OP.
One could make an argument either way on Baka, but the status of Fan Speak pages is a bit foggy. As for Ba Gua, that seems more like a philosophy or something like that. I don't know that one much, though.
Moving on to C-D.
- Cab Driver's Fallacy: That one is dicey, since as-is it doesn't have trope examples.
- Chinese Mythology: Aye, work page, not UN page. That said, the discussion of a mythology namespace over in Wiki Talk has always bogged down in technicalities.
- Chiptune: Seems more like a trope or genre.
- Circular Reasoning: Trope.
- Classical Mythology: Work.
- Conlang: Trope.
- Conceit: That seems more like a form of Critic Speak to me. Akin to Fan Speak, in other words.
- Concept Art: Seems more like a trope to me.
- Conscious Hip Hop: Genre.
- Converse Error: Trope.
- Country Rap: Genre.
- Country Switch: That looks like a trope or trivia item to me.
- The CSI Effect: Trivia, sure.
- Cukoloris: On Camera Tricks; I think these should be in Main/.
- Dark Wave: Genre.
- Deathcore: Genre.
- Death of the Author: Audience Reaction concept.
- Dime Novel: Genre.
- DTMFA: Fan Speak term.
- Doom Metal: Genre.
- Doujin Soft: Genre.
- Dubstep: Genre.
More generally, I have to wonder what to do Chord Progression things (they look more like tropes to me) and Fan Speak items (they are used both as tropes and UN).
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Mastermind Rational
Thanks for the update. Had no idea what that kind of page was supposed to be, but now I know.
PS: For the record, I'm a "he", not a "they". 
Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty
Then I'll change the page type of The CSI Effect, because, like the others, it is on the Main.Trivia page and provides the interrobang symbol in a work or work's examples page trope list.
Keeper of The Celestial Flame
^^I always use "they" for people whose gender I don't know.
Seems like we've some agreement on the items mentioned in @6, so I'll ask for removal. I listed some more entries in @12 that may warrant removal as well. I left Cab Driver's Fallacy though since that one doesn't have work examples.
edited 13th Aug '14 2:39:29 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I do not think Concept Art is a trope. Everything else looks fine to me.
I think Concept Art count as a trope by being an genre/format. It's art with a special purpose/meaning. It shows the concept of something.
Cab Driver's Fallacy should really be moved anyway. A trope doesn't become 'useful' by not having examples.
What I think about E-F:
- E3 - I think stuff like this should count as works.
- Egyptian Mythology - another general myth page.
- Emulation - could be a genre of software. Have three examples.
- Entrance - omnipresent trope, need no examples.
- Escapism - trope
- Eurobeat - trope (genre)
- Extended Analogy - trope (logical fallacy)
- Fall 2012 Anime, Fall 2013 Anime, Fall 2014 Anime - indexes
- Fallacy Fallacy - trope (logical fallacy)
- Fallacy of Composition - trope (logical fallacy)
- Fallacy of Division - trope (logical fallacy)
- False Cause - trope
- Fan Speak - not sure, not useful at least.
- Fan - same as ^
- Fandom Life Cycle - trivia
- Fantasy Sports - looks like type of (roll playing) game?
- Fantasy - trope
- Far East Asian Terrorists - trope
- Filmi Music - trope (genre)
- First Post - same as Fan Speak and Fan? Whatever that is.
- Flipnote Studio - Work
- Folk Music - trope (genre)
- Four Terms Fallacy - trope (logical fallacy)
- French New Wave - trope (genre)
- Fringe Festival - trope (genre)
- Frozen Abstraction - trope (logical fallacy)
- Funk Metal - trope (genre)
- Funk - trope (genre)
- Furry Fandom - not useful, the other Fandom pages seem to be tropes or trivia.
- Fusion - disambiguation page?
edited 17th Aug '14 6:44:14 AM by m8e
Opinions on Chiptune, Conlang, Conceit, Concept Art, Country Switch, Death of the Author, Dime Novel and DTMFA? These are all tropes (if exampleless ones, but that has nothing to do with UN status), genres or Audience Reactions.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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I asked for Nuke 'em to be removed from the list as it seems to be the trope page, the actual page for nuclear weapons was at The Deadliest Mushroom, now at UsefulNotes.Nuclear Weapons. I also asked for Fandom Life Cycle to be removed as it is Trivia and goes on the trivia page, so I page typed it trope. I can't see any more trivia pages.
Death of the Author is a YMMV trope, according to the banner.
Agree, they are all tropes, genres, Audience Reactions or Fan Speak terms.
edited 17th Aug '14 10:26:41 AM by TheOneWhoTropes
Keeper of The Celestial Flame
- Chiptune is genre and I think we have precedent that all genres count as tropes.
- Conlang is clearly a trope.
- Concept Art, gave my opinion 17
- Country Switch seem to be a trope.
- Death of the Author is indeed a Audience Reaction concept.
- Dime Novel is a genre and a Sister Trope to Pulp Magazine and Airport Novel.
- DTMFA is at least not useful. Might be Fan Speak or an Audience Reaction concept.
- Conceit, the word itself might(not sure) be "Critic Speak" but the concept it describe seem to be a trope. The Central conceit page on wikipedia makes lean to a Script Speak trope and a supertrope to Willing Suspension of Disbelief.
edited 17th Aug '14 11:02:40 AM by m8e
Backtracking a bit with B's, Baroque Pop, Black Metal, Blues Rock and Blues are all music genres. Billboard is a medium and an Advertising Trope.
Dogme95 seem to be a movie genre and Dada is an art genre.
edited 17th Aug '14 9:22:34 PM by m8e
Based upon @20, I am going to ask for the items in @18 to be removed. Regarding @21 I agree with the first entries being removed; not decided on the latter two entries yet.
Now regarding E-F:
- Egyptian Mythology: Work.
- Emulation: Unsure; may be a trope or genre.
- Entrance: Trope (of that early flavour of trope pages on TV Tropes that were frequently exampleless).
- Escapism: Trope.
- Euro Beat: Genre.
- Fall 2012 Anime: Index.
- Fall 2013 Anime: Index.
- Fall 2014 Anime: Index.
- Fallacy of Composition: Trope.
- Fallacy of Division: Trope.
- False Cause: Trope.
- Fan Speak: Formerly an index, now one of these "Term definition" pages. Not an UN though.
- Fan: Term definition, not an UN.
- Fantasy Sports: Uncertain; is that a genre?
- Fantasy: Genre.
- Far East Asian Terrorists: Trope.
- Filmi Music: Genre.
- First Post: Trope.
- Four Terms Fallacy: Trope.
- French New Wave: Genre.
- Funk Metal: Genre.
- Funk: Genre.
- Furry Fandom: That one's a tough one, but it depicts stuff related to works - was in TRS twi ce.
- Fusion: Seems like one of these "term definition" pages.
- Gambler's Fallacy: Trope.
Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty
Fantasy Sports is a genre, I don't know where you could put it, whether it's Roleplay or Tabletop Game, although now mostly on the web, Betting Shops and Newspapers still do this during the football season here.
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So Fanspeak pages go in Main?
Fan Speak articles are usually in Main/, save for UsefulNotes.Pettanko.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Putting it here, since it doesn't seem like a long project - just this one page.
When Useful Notes Pages In Main was created, seeded by the "Main pages with Useful Notes pagetype" list, a couple of articles that aren't proper Useful Notes pages wound up on that page. I plan to request the removal of misplaced entries, but as is my usance I'll put out a discussion in case people object to removal or want additional items removed.
Tackling first the A-B range, these are articles I'd remove:
And possibly American Accent Influences (unsure; it's on Accent Tropes) as well, although it's contestable.
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