Lupin III

1. See the drop-down menu next to sub pages? It connects every Namespace.Lupin III page.
2. An Album goes on the Music Namespace according to Namespace Map.

That's my justification for the Lupin III audio C Ds to go on the Music.Lupin III page. Use the whole page for all of the Lupin C Ds, just like Manga.Lupin III will hold all of the Lupin III Manga. However, if you get over 300,000 characters for that page, we will need to turn it into an index page, like Recap is.

edited 13th Sep '13 8:40:22 PM by crazysamaritan

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Ok. No problem, then.

Finished the Miyazaki wicks. Now, let's face the music!

edited 1st Sep '13 3:57:27 PM by Quag15

I recently bought the first anime of Lupin III. Am I the only one who is a fan of Miyazaki's short haired Fujiko?

Not at all. Miyazaki makes her softer/cuter. I prefer his series 2 design for Fuji, but series 1 isn't bad.

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Well, the point is I love seeing Fujiko as an Action Girl. Oh, and wearing something that wasn't skintight or sexy.

edited 3rd Sep '13 1:59:03 PM by DS9guy

She usually is an Action Girl, to contrast with the female guest character. When does she wear something NOT sexy (and is still clothed)?

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I'm actually rather impressed at her fashion sense most of the time. Even during the eighties, the woman's clothes are top-notch with only a few missteps.

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Idea for a game! How many tropes can we collect specifically for Zantetsuken?

• Absurdly Sharp Blade: It can cut through anything (Except for Rule of Drama)
• Archaic Weapon for an Advanced Age: So... Sword beats machine guns? This one does!
• Drama-Preserving Handicap: The sword cannot cut X, where X is whatever the writers need it to be this time. Rarely used, but konnyaku gel?? Really??!
• Named Weapon: Famous beyond Goemon's incredible skill.
• Summon to Hand: Goemon used his foot to trigger the sword from the ground back to his hand in Lupin III: Dead or Alive.
• Spider-Sense: The "shadow", which warns of impending danger.
• Thunderbolt Iron: sometimes the excuse for the sword's cutting power.
• Unbreakable Weapons: In theory, although we do sometimes see it break.
• Like Cannot Cut Like: An excuse to prevent Zantetsuken from cutting everything.
• Takes One to Kill One: Why Goemon doesn't want any other Zantetsuken running around.

Can anyone think of more?

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• Absurd Cutting Power
• Cool Sword (obviously)
• Never Bring a Knife to a Gun Fight: Averted. Hard.
• Sword of Plot Advancement (maybe?)

edited 3rd Sep '13 4:59:08 PM by Quag15

• Sword of Plot Advancement: Sure! During an Origins Episode for Goemon, it's common for him to be competing with Lupin in their search for the sword.

That also leads us to...

• Plot Coupon That Does Something: The sword qualifies under the Sword of Plot Advancement subtrope.
• Amplifier Artifact: Until Goemon discovered the Zantetsuken, his swords kept breaking.
• Legendary Weapon: The sword was forged before Goemon's birth, and he sought it out. Lupin II may have stolen it or the process to make it in the past.
• Cool Sword: duh! >.< How'd I miss that?
• and I found Selectively Lethal Weapon: The sword can cut through skin without cutting the skin.

edited 3rd Sep '13 5:36:29 PM by crazysamaritan

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Also:

• Diagonal Cut
• Clean Cut

Update on what I'm doing:

• Added an ensemble section to the Characters.Lupin III page.
• Rough draft description of TabletopGames.Lupin III, and adding tropes.
  • need to cross wick when done.
• improved UsefulNotes.Ishikawa Goemon historical character page.

Still to do:

• series-specific anime pages.
• Mythology Gag subpage.
• Shout-Out subpage.
• videogames subpage
• Manga to Anime transfer and rewrite.
• Manga to Characters transfer and rewrite.
• Manga rewrite

Need help with:

• Kabuki Theatre
• double check my work on ReferencedBy.Lupin III, every bullet has a wick, and every example is crosswicked.
• double check my work on the Manga.Lupin III to franchise transfer/rewrite.
• making a page with a short summary and six tropes for every episode
• making a page with a short summary, image, and six tropes for every movie

edit: finished Manga to Franchise transfer

edited 8th Sep '13 5:05:41 PM by crazysamaritan

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Forgot that Chikao Ohtsuka still needs switching.

I'm prioritizing the Characters.Lupin III right now, and I stumbled over the difference between Anti-Hero and Anti-Villain. Because Lupin himself is intended as a Villain Protagonist, it gets a little difficult to describe him. Hero means Protagonist, and Protagonist means Hero, conventionally speaking. If a work only has Lupin vs Zenigata, it's easy to say who is the villain and who is the antagonist. However, it's common for a third party to be introduced that is worse than Lupin, or even a fourth party that is as moral as Zenigata working with Lupin.

I feel that it is safe to put both Anti-Hero and Anti-Villain in the ensemble section of the page, but I don't feel comfortable for any of the thief characters on the Anti-Hero page or subtropes. Polling for opinions, please.

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I would say that both are appropriate, yeah. As for the Anti-Hero page, I think that you can write something about them like: "Lupin is a peculiar example: he manages to be both Anti-Hero and Anti-Villain. He can also be simultaneously these two and a Villain Protagonist, depending on the episode."

After all, Tropes Are Flexible, right? I've seen quite a few pages have examples where a character has simultaneously two apparently exclusive traits.

As for Chikao Ohtsuka, I can do that in a few hours. I'm almost finished listening to the Lupin III music, so I'll write the Music section later as well.

edited 12th Sep '13 11:10:35 AM by Quag15

Well, I'm convinced to keep the Anti-Hero entry for the crew, which is also crosswicked to the trope page. But I get the feeling that they were on Anti-Hero because "they are dark and edgy and do good things", not because they "have some deficit that prevents the characters from being an Ideal Hero". Because being an Anti-Hero is cool more than accurate.

But I think Anti-Villain is what the characters actually fit. Their goals are always criminal.

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What? They're totally Anti-Heroes. Fujiko uses men to get what she wants; Lupin's a perv, a hypocrite, a spoiled brat, and he's committed manslaughter multiple times. Jigen's your typical cowboy who thinks he's hardened and cynical but really he pushes people away because he has a gentle heart that's endured too much loss. Goemon is the only hero in the bunch, and even he's socially awkward as balls once he's taken out of his element. And yet, the worst they ever set out to do is steal from rich people, and the best they ever do is save the goddamn world.

Also, I find it very depressing that this thread seems to be exclusively a place to discuss ways to organize the various Lupin franchise pages on the wiki. Does anyone have anything to say about their love of the series?

edited 13th Sep '13 3:15:10 AM by FurikoMaru

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Well, for those who are working out the Franchise page, there's no doubt about how much we are fans of the series (or the specials, or the manga, and so forth). As for my love of the series, I will say: it became the first anime series I got interested in as a late teenager/early adult. I'm in the middle of the The Woman Named Fujiko Mine series, right now, and I'm really liking it.

As for the manslaughter, I think Jigen did that far more than Lupin. I don't recall Lupin doing manslaughter that much during, say, the Red Jacket or the Pink Jacket series.

edited 13th Sep '13 6:23:43 AM by Quag15

Well....

1. I'm doing this because I love the franchise so much. I was hoping to do more of a committee/talking style of organization. But, not enough people seem interested enough in the series, so I'm making do. I want this franchise to spread out over the wiki and the world more than Star Wars or Dresden Files, and maybe even Doctor Who.
2. An Anti-Hero is a protagonist who has the opposite of most of the traditional attributes of a hero.
3. The Anti-Villain is a villain with heroic goals, personality traits, and/or virtues. Alternatively, their desired ends are evil, but they are far more ethical or moral than most villains and they thus use fairly benign means to achieve it, and can be downright heroic on occasion.
4. You don't describe what the characters lack from an Ideal Hero, you instead share a mix of heroic and villainous goals and virtues. Because these characters are our Protagonists, it makes this a bit more complicated.
   • The best the characters have been is in The Castle of Cagliostro and Lupin III vs. Detective Conan. They still steal from the good/innocent and kidnap people. They are heroic, and that's a key aspect of being an Anti-Villain.
   • The worst the characters have ever been, excluding Manga because I've got little of that (and more than many), is Lupin III: The Woman Called Fujiko Mine and Lupin III: Dragon of Doom. Yes, they take out world-spanning organizations led by evil men, but they are also casual killers, all four of them. Fujiko even goes full psycho at one point in her series.

Your argument goes back to what I said about being an Anti-Hero is cool more than accurate. "They are dark and edgy and do good things" can be either an Anti-Hero or an Anti-Villain, because it isn't precise enough. The Anti-Villain is the opposite of the Anti-Hero. Where a Hero is supposed to represent good and virtue, saving the world, an antihero has flaws preventing him from doing that. Where a Villain is supposed to represent evil and corruption, taking from the world, an anti villain has virtues preventing him from doing that.

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GORGEOUS poster for Anime.Lupin III Dragon Of Doom, Quag! I've not seen that one before.

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Thanks! I actually found it on Google.

Are there any other specials, movies or whatever that don't have an image? I put a few images on some Lupin stuff some weeks ago, so, I'm going back to it.

A few still are missing. Bigger problem is the lack of crosswicking. I hit the recap version of Dragon of Doom with a redirect, since that was still waiting for one. I plan to get back to the individual work pages (recap pages).... edit: after I get characters and Manga cleaned. I've got a sandbox.Lupin III up for MA GA's replacement.

edited 13th Sep '13 11:12:40 AM by crazysamaritan

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Finished the Chikao Ohtsuka wicks transfer. Writing the draft for the Music article.

Also, could we put the Four-Temperament Ensemble in the Characters sheet for Lupin's Gang? I think Lupin is Choleric, Jigen is Phlegmatic, Fujiko is Sanguine and Goemon is Melancholic.

edited 15th Sep '13 9:50:36 AM by Quag15

I was just messing around; moving around the Recap pages, checking the page types, and getting more of the pages on my watchlist. I'm going back to a focused effort on Characters.Lupin III now. I plan on putting any ensemble tropes that apply, but I broke out in laughter when I read the tropes, thinking of how it applies to the Lupin Gang. Remember that Fujiko is the female Lupin, so they're both blood characters.

The example is up and crosswicked, but I'm still chuckling.

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True. At times they share lots of traits.

By the way, should we include occasional/regular villains (that is, villains that did not appeared only once, like Mister X (in the first episode of the first two series) or Pycal (2nd episode of the 1st series, if I'm not mistaken, and Return Of Pycal) in the Characters page? If you want, I can check out where relevant villains have appeared and give you a list.

Also, I've added some more images to those Yearly Specials.

edited 15th Sep '13 4:07:54 PM by Quag15

I already thought of that. They go into their respective Character namespaces.

Mr X of Scorpian goes under Characters.Lupin III Red Jacket, and under Characters.Lupin III Green Jacket, if you want (I think just the first).

I'm still working on all of the rules of thumb, but when it comes to the tv series, if a character appears in two episodes (excluding the one two-part episode), then they are allowed to be put onto the character namespace, instead of in the main/anime namespace. Preferably with a screenshot, as well. Pycal, as well, could be on Characters.Lupin III Green Jacket, in addition to the Characters.Return Of The Magician page.

Mr. X actually appears at least twice in the second series, so at least three episodes of the character.

I saw. I think we still need the mermaid one. I'm not thrilled with Return the Treasures, but that's an issue with the artists, not you.

Edit: You forgot the redirects again. Fixed 'em.

edited 15th Sep '13 5:03:04 PM by crazysamaritan

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