Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
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If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
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- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
"In distress", my ass.
^ Eh, I don't know about that.
Nuke the ZCEs and shoehorning, yeah, but there's nothing in RL that prevents a woman from making herself up to appear a classy male.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
No, the other one.
I don't see how Bifauxnen can't be applied in real life.
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Lost in Space
Whether it's possible for it to occur is one thing. Whether we care is another. Personal appearance/personality tropes are off-limits for real people.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
If Bifauxnen is about appearance-as-characterization, that's a reason to NRLEP.
My question before seems to have been overlooked. If Phlebotinum is basically the stuff that Hand Waves are made of, Toxic Phlebotinum shouldn't have a RL section.
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
Nominating the following, as all being examples of linking appearance to characterization or other storytelling purposes are not applicable to Real Life.
- Heroes Want Redheads
- Dark Skinned Redhead
- Eerie Pale-Skinned Brunette
- Dark Skinned Blond
- Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold
- Suddenly Blonde
- Brainy Brunette
- Significant Green-Eyed Redhead
- Redheads Are Uncool
- Rose Haired Girl
- Shy Blue-Haired Girl
- You Gotta Have Blue Hair
edited 13th Nov '13 7:39:37 PM by Catbert
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
I'm not sure about Heroes Want Redheads, but I agree with the rest.
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
If physical appearance is off-limits for real people then all those Hair Colors should go. Bifauxnen is about the masculine appearance indicating a classy personality and we can't know if she's classy in real life.
No, the other one.
Doesn't matter if they are classy, as long as that's what they aim for. In this case, it's an appearance you take on or exploit, rather than something you have inherently. A woman just looking like a pretty male wouldn't count, but someone who dresses up like one specifically for the look would. Which would probably eliminate a lot of the ZCEs.
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Teapot
Sorry if this has been brought up already, but the Real Life section of Man Child has a few entries that smack of Take That! and Complaining, e.g. the one about Stephanie Meyer. Many are also very general and non-specific, which to my knowledge should be avoided when writing examples.
What are the opinions? Should we have a Real Life section on a trope with (to an extent) inherently negative connotations?
edited 15th Nov '13 12:50:53 PM by KorKhan
ManChild.Real Life should be cut. The term is generally considered disparaging.
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I say cut it as well.
"In distress", my ass.
Manchild added to the crowner.
Also, Monster Misogyny is currently at 9 votes, 8:1, but otherwise would qualify for being called.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Just added a bunch of tropes, but I can't seem to get the formatting right. Could someone fix it please?
"In distress", my ass.
Fixed, though not quite sure why it choked in the first place.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
I'm nominating Cute, but Cacophonic for a Real Life section cleanup and a limited restriction.
Specifically, I don't have a problem listing things like animals, but jibes at real people should be considered off limits. For example:
- Shirley Temple is an adorable kid, but her singing voice is one of the most annoying imaginable.
And there there is this example which is also Zero Context
- Kathy Ireland.
It could also use some natter and Example Indentation cleanup.
I just added Bifauxnen to the crowner.
Sorcerer in training
Isn't there a rule on the site not to take jabs at people like that? And ST's singing's okay; it's the plots of Heidi and Little Princess I personally have issues with.
She is a normally noisy little girl in her movies, though, but I don't know if that would qualify her for the trope.
(I have a daughter.)
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Sorcerer in training
LetsGetDangerous.Real Life WWII examples are a mess. I'm not even sure where to start fixing it. Thread mode, arguing, discussion on the main page... it goes on. Help, please?
Edit: Sorry for double post. Not paying attention. 
edited 16th Nov '13 5:09:49 AM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
I think most of the World War II examples, especially as regarding Britain and the US, are shoehorning based upon popular misconceptions about history.
The simple fact of the matter is that the British Empire (especially once you add colonies and Commonwealth dominions) and the US were widely acknowledged to be among the leading industrial and military powers of the time, even before the war started. That hardly sounds like "A character thought not to be fit for the occasion proves they are."
At anyrate, I think the whole real life section could use a cut, simply because what group was or was not thought to be "fit for the occasion" in any particular historical example is going to be a matter of great debate even among professional academic historians, to say nothing of the debates among those depending on various nationalistic heroic underdog myths.
Also, the definition on the main page is written in such as way as to imply that this is a trope that only applies to heroes and protagonists.
EDIT PS: Any more thoughts on putting limits on what examples can be used for Cute, but Cacophonic? I'm thinking a cleanup of the current examples and putting an admin note on the page. Does that require a vote, or can we decide it in thread discussion?
edited 16th Nov '13 5:51:10 AM by Catbert
Let's Get Dangerous! is supposed to be about "quirky, eccentric supporting cast members" stepping up to the plate. There are no supporting case members in real life. I say the Real Life section gets cut and the trope is declared NRLEP.
My alignment is Chaotic Cute.
Derek McDouglas
So you want Real Life Section to be removed from Manchild? Guess I could agree with y'all because it's really too embarrassing and complaining. That would hurt people's feeling those fit to this trope. But like, We people like video games especially RP Gs. It happens so it should be on Truth in Television
"In distress", my ass.
Calling Monster Misogyny - Added 12th Nov '13 at 04:47:45 PM, 13:1 (14)
All your safe space are belong to Trump
More Hair Colors nominations.
- Suddenly Blonde is about video game artists changing hair color because of the limitations of gaming system. Therefor it is impossible in Real Life.
- Brainy Brunette links intelligence with hair color
- You Gotta Have Blue Hair is about making it easy to distinguish between characters by having character have unnatural hair colors, not about literal blue hair or any instance of creatures having abnormal hair color for any reason.
- Plenty of Blondes is about stories having a higher percentage of blondes than can be expected for a given setting. Therefor, any real life location which has lots of blondes can not be an example, because if that is what the setting (Sweden, for example) really is like, that is what you can expect from it.
Tropes I'm not sure about
- Bald Black Leader Guy is something I'm not sure actually has relevance in real life, but I'm open to arguments otherwise.
- Charlie Brown Baldness seems to be a drawing trope about simplifying character design by not including a lot of hair, but it isn't explicitly stated as such. A real life example of a person with only a few strands of hair would not seem to have much meaning in this context.
- Silver Fox is something that is certainly seen as an or attractive or otherwise desireable trait by many people in Real Life. I'm not convinced it needs to be cut, but the current list seems to be mostly zero context examples of grey hair people tropers find attractive
edited 16th Nov '13 4:59:54 PM by Catbert
Derek McDouglas
You Gotta Have Blue Hair: NEVER unnatural without Dye Hard!!!! So this trope won't work in RL.
edited 16th Nov '13 8:05:12 PM by kokoroanime
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Bifauxnen is a women who has the style, charm, and elegance of a man. I don't see how you can say that applies to a real person and the examples mostly have no context. Those that say anything might talk about her androgynous image which is just Lady Looks Like a Dude.