Tropers: Hershele Ostropoler
is a semi-employed 36-year-old writer in New York
. If you would like to fully employ him, get in touch.
I gave myself the name
because I'm Jewish
. If you see comments from this username anywhere on the Web, odds are it's me.
Does Hershele have facial hair? Full beard
(If there's interest in a FB group to replace the old N*nnery, PM me; if there's critical mass it may be worth setting one up. If anyone has any better ideas about an off-wiki replacement, PM me. If such a thing already exists, on FB or elsewhere, I'd be honored to be part of it. I don not wish to restore that conversation to the forums here*
The name הערשעלע is spelled with the letter ש, transcribed in English as "sh". Therefore the proper spelling is "Hershele" and shortened forms of that.
Cutting pages for content
There are no works pages I would rather cut than keep. Not even that one. Nope, not that one either. There are some that I don't think are as, well, important than others; there are some where the preference to keep is razor-thin and based entirely in the general principle. I am concerned about an attitude of "'art' is a word perverts use to defend their filth" or, more Godwinishly
, "when I see the word 'art' I reach for my revolver." That's not quite the comparison that best fits, but I do think it's McCarthyist. I worry about a tendency towards prudishness
that I think will weaken the wiki.
On a not unrelated note, changing things to fend off concern trolls and TOS trolls, especially after the fact, is essentially feeding them.
The content rules
We are inevitably going to lose things I don't want to lose; I don't want to lose anything.
We are probably going to lose pages I likenote
; I have odd tastes, and I like beige
descriptions of sexual topics like on the page for Literotica
, or for The Story of O
But I don't think we'll lose anything I don't want to lose aside from all that if we get rid of pages on pure pornography (works whose sole raison d'Ítre
is causing arousal) and on anything with:
- An endorsement or positive portrayal of non-innocent sexual activity involving children.
- Any portrayal of children as the legitimate objects of sexual desire for normal adults in a way that implies this is or should be normal or acceptible in contemporary U.S. society.
- Pornographic scenes involving children.
As well as Porn with Plot
works in which children appear. I don't think this is automatically icky, if a strict separation is maintained, but I'm totally sympathetic with people who think it is, and I don't think it's worth arguing over.
I can hear the Rules Lawyers
now: "What makes someone a child?" "What makes a portrayal positive?" "What's legitimate? What's normal?" "What makes a scene pornographic?" The answer to all of those is "whatever the panel decides, ultimately, but it probably means pretty much what you think it means." Fetish Retardant
and Fan Disservice
(beyond the fact that there are kids in) aren't directly relevant, but I imagine the panel would take them into account when considering if a portrayal is positive.
After I write this, I looked back at this
and I think what I have pretty much agrees with it.
I'm fine with that. I don't think I'm going to agree with all the P5 decisions but if that's a reasonable guide I think I can predict a lot of them fairly well, and duly prepare defenses and appeals.
That's a content approach to defining pedoshit. As an alternative or supplement, there is also a context approach. That asks why (in the Doylist sense) there's adult-child/adult-teen sex in the work:
- To tittilate: cut
- To shock: probably cut
- To groom: nuke from orbit
- To advocate: cut, unless, perhaps, it does such a poor job of it that it has the opposite effect
- To show the perpetrator's depravity: probably keep
- To show the society's depravity: probably keep
- To elicit sympathy for the victim: cheap emotional manipulation, but probably keep
- To explain the victim's later behavior: probably keep?
- To elicit sympathy for the perpetrator
- If it's "that poor person, there's something wrong with them that drove them to do this horrible thing", possibly keep
- If it's "that poor person, society just doesn't understand them," almost certainly cut
- Etc., etc., etc.
Again, which it is in each case is something a person — or, say, a group of five people — is going to have to decide.
Tropes found in this user
Shows and movies that have filmed/taped on location near my home (at the time):
Also, someone working for J. J. Abrams
considered but rejected my parents' house for scenes in Fringe
I was in the studio audience for:
- Don't forget to smile! It's very important you know.
- I could not help vandalising your page after I saw the Yiddish in your title. -desdendelle
- I can vandalize your page here? AWESOME! -Pittsburghmuggle
- After reading your own personal ideas on what should be kept and saved content wise, you have no idea how sensible I'm convinced you are and wish you were on the P5. -Rpgingmaster