There are no works pages I would rather cut than keep. Not even that one. Nope, not that one either. There are some that I don't think are as, well, important than others; there are some where the preference to keep is razor-thin and based entirely in the general principle. I am concerned about an attitude of "'art' is a word perverts use to defend their filth" or, more Godwinishly, "when I see the word 'art' I reach for my revolver." That's not quite the comparison that best fits, but I do think it's McCarthyist. I worry about a tendency towards prudishness that I think will weaken the wiki.

On a not unrelated note, changing things to fend off concern trolls and TOS trolls, especially after the fact, is essentially feeding them.

We are inevitably going to lose things I don't want to lose; I don't want to lose anything.

We are probably going to lose pages I like*

not as fap material

; I have odd tastes, and I like beige descriptions of sexual topics like on the page we had for Literotica, or for The Story of O.

But I don't think we'll lose anything I don't want to lose aside from all that if we get rid of pages on pure pornography (works whose sole raison d'être is causing arousal) and on anything with:

• An endorsement or positive portrayal of non-innocent sexual activity involving children.
• Any portrayal of children as the legitimate objects of sexual desire for normal adults in a way that implies this is or should be normal or acceptible in contemporary U.S. society.
• Pornographic scenes involving children.

As well as Porn With Plot works in which children appear. I don't think this is automatically icky, if a strict separation is maintained, but I'm totally sympathetic with people who think it is, and I don't think it's worth arguing over.

I can hear the Rules Lawyers now: "What makes someone a child?" "What makes a portrayal positive?" "What's legitimate? What's normal?" "What makes a scene pornographic?" The answer to all of those is "whatever the panel decides, ultimately, but it probably means pretty much what you think it means." Fetish Retardant and Fan Disservice (beyond the fact that there are kids in) aren't directly relevant, but I imagine the panel would take them into account when considering if a portrayal is positive.

After I write this, I looked back at this and I think what I have pretty much agrees with it.

I'm fine with that. I don't think I'm going to agree with all the P5 decisions but if that's a reasonable guide I think I can predict a lot of them fairly well, and duly prepare defenses and appeals.

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That's a content approach to defining pedoshit. As an alternative or supplement, there is also a context approach. That asks why (in the Doylist sense) there's adult-child/adult-teen sex in the work:

• To tittilate: cut
• To shock: probably cut
• To groom: nuke from orbit
• To advocate: cut, unless, perhaps, it does such a poor job of it that it has the opposite effect
• To show the perpetrator's depravity: probably keep
• To show the society's depravity: probably keep
• To elicit sympathy for the victim: cheap emotional manipulation, but probably keep
• To explain the victim's later behavior: probably keep?
• To elicit sympathy for the perpetrator
  • If it's "that poor person, there's something wrong with them that drove them to do this horrible thing", possibly keep
  • If it's "that poor person, society just doesn't understand them," almost certainly cut
• Etc., etc., etc.

Again, which it is in each case is something a person — or, say, a group of five people — is going to have to decide.

• archy and mehitabel
• Boogie Nights
• Showgirls
• The Extra Man
• Anonymous Author
• Go the Fuck to Sleep
• Informed Location (YKTTW, not launch)
• The Rum Diary

I'll happily share, but PM me so we can coordinate and cooperate rather than the alternative.

• Obliviously Evil
• Seinfeld Is Unfunny

Troper Tales pages:

• Acceptable Lifestyle Targets
• Accidental Pervert
• A Date With Rosie Palms
• Badass Longcoat
• Brains And Bondage

• Casual Kink

• Conveniently Common Kink
• Did You Just Have Sex

• Fetish Retardant
• Friends With Benefits
• Headphones Equal Isolation
• Home Porn Movie

• Moe

• The Jail Bait Wait

• Chappelle's Show
• Third Watch
• My Super Ex-Girlfriend*
  Interesting-ish story about this: they used the subway station
  near my apartment, and the crew sat on the floor on newspapers, so they wouldn't get any New York on them]]
• The Brave One
• Cupid
• A Spider-Man reboot, for some values of "near" (a subway stop away, but on the other side of it)

• A not-for-air pilot of the American version of Have I Got News For You
• The Daily Show
• The Colbert Report (twice!)
• Who Wants To Be A Millionaire
• Ask Me Another on NPR (twice!)

Also, someone working for J. J. Abrams considered but rejected my parents' house for scenes in Fringe.