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Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: This is NOT about the rename, started by Discar on Jul 9th 2011 at 2:15:58 AM
I was wondering of under the Other folder if adding an entry for She-Ra and the Princesses of Power was okay, or if as a western animation it falls outside of the Yuri genre?
I feel like the types of Yuri section should be amended
Specifically having josei yuri being specified as "Yuri for lesbians" which seems one sided, when it seems fair (in my mind) that shoujo yuri would also be read by homosexual girls. Is there an implication that Japanese girls read yuri without being gay?
The difference in tone and style is (mostly) apparent, but it seems a stretch to have level of acknowledgement of homosexuality based upon how much it addresses LGBTQ and other real life issues. I mean, I deal with enough LGBTQ stuff in real life and it may be seen as insulting that not wanting to read a story involving that implicates you in being "less gay" than anyone else...
Valid point or am I missing something? As I didn't want to push an edit that may be unwarranted.
Your points are valid, but Yuri is indeed enjoyed by a lot of straight girls. You don't need to be attracted to someone in a romance to root for it.
Where did that image come from?
Sono Hanabira Ni Kuchizuke wo. (Please don't make a page for it — that was cut under the Content Policy.)
I didn't intend to, I was just curious where it came from. Thanks!
No live action examples? Even defining this as a Japan only genre (Though I can think of a few Western works that would be Yuri if you adapted them to Japan)m the Yuri genre must have by now made some cross over into Japanese Live Action movies and TV shows?
Love My Life is a Schoolgirl Lesbians film from Japan
Could it count as Yuri?
The mods want to keep this entry Japanese media-only, but live-action Japanese TV shows/films about lesbian relationships are likely OK (but I don't know any). I would say that animesque/mangaesque non-Japanese works (e.g. Cross Heart) should be listed, too, but the mods have wiped such examples before.
The movie I mentioned above I intend to order and watch soon as I can. I'm still unsure exactly what else besides being about Lesbians is required for being Yuri.
It must come from Japan and have a lesbian relationship at the core of the plot. Preferably, it should fall into one of the classic yuri setups outlined in the article intro. :D
I've been looking but I can't really find anything but that one. It's weird, you'd think there would be more.
Yeah, probably a cultural thing. Drawn lesbians are OK, live-action ones are still too risky. ^^
I've watched Love my Life, and if it's Yuri it's of the Josie variety, which is generally the last type people think of.
It was a pretty neat movie though, happier ending then most Schoolgirl Lesbian live action films.
Well, feel free to add it to the article, then.
Explain to me how exactly someone who came looking for "Yuri (genre)" might be interested in the first cosmonaut?
By the same logic, why do you omit mentioning Yuri Andropov, the head of USSR, Yuri Dolgoruki, the founder of Moscow, Yuri Lowenthal, the famous voice actor, and Yuri the Big Bad in the Command And Conquer series?
Don't know what to say about the whole Japanese thing, but what's up with the page quote now? It doesn't really make sense without the whole Yuri Fans are ecstatic thing...
...It's only an anime/manga genre?
So what about all those examples we had before? I can see how a lot of those were arguable examples, but plenty of them were completely straight (as terrible of a pun as it is). Girly certainly is centered around the main lesbian couple, and it's a webcomic. A thing I'm making is as well, and it's a web serial.
I simply don't see the justification for the change, but considering a moderator made it, I didn't simply revert it.
To summarise briefly, without getting too involved in the rights and wrongs for reasons of Internet Backdraft:
It has been decided of late that this site has too many Japanese terms floating around, including for concepts which are not Japan-specific, and that this is creates an intolerable burden upon users who aren't fans of Japanese media, since they're unlikely to understand these terms at first glance. The "compromise" (inverted commas because some don't see it as such, despite it being described that way by the admins) put forward is this: all anime/manga terms are allowed to remain, but must either become redirects for tropes with English names (e.g. Pink Bishōjo Ghetto, now called Improbably Female Cast), fanspeak terms for separate trope pages (e.g. Kuudere, the trope now being Sugar-and-Ice Personality) or Japan-only tropes (e.g. this one, with non-Japan examples now going... well, okay, I'm not entirely sure where), with a few - still contested - exceptions where the term is so well-used and/or has no convenient English equivalent despite being a universal trope (e.g. Tsundere). Many of the Japan-only tropes have now also been given custom titles including English nouns ("genre" is a common one for tropes such as this) to clarify some of their meaning for users not familiar with them.
In short, then: yes, as things stand, this is a Japan-only trope. Whether it should remain so or not is less an issue for this specific trope and more an ongoing point of wider contention across the site.
But we had a perfectly good english title for this trope when it was named Girls' Love.
And if the Yuri trope page is going to be limited to Japanese only examples, then the Yaoi page needs to be restricted as well.
Girls' Love to me rather defeats the point of having an English title, given that in this case it's really an Ingrish title, which is fairly non-intuitive to English-speakers who aren't familiar with the term already ("Does it mean that girls can love but boys can't? Is it a particularly feminine form of love? What? It's about lesbians? Seriously?"), who are probably more used to using the term "yuri" anyway. Indeed, the irony is that whilst Girls' Love is comprised of English words and "yuri" is a Japanese word, the former is the term used in Japanese whilst the latter is the term used in English. So yeah. Clarification Before anyone calls me out on it, yes, I know yuri is used in Japanese - it being a Japanese word and all - but the sense is a bit broader, from what I understand, being used to refer to just about anything to do with lesbianism, whereas in English it tends to have the narrow sense of, well, Yuri Genre, which matches the use of "Girls Love" in Japanese.
All that said, I wouldn't be averse to this trope being renamed Girls' Love, since if it's going to be restricted to Japanese examples then that is the native term, and thus the one I would consider more correct.
I definitely agree with regards to Yaoi; furthermore, the two really ought to be named the same way (that trope is currently names, perplexingly enough, Boys' Love Genre, with Yaoi as a redirect). I'd rather them both not be strictly limited to Japanese examples, to be honest, but current site policy seems to be trending in the opposite direction. At any rate, I'd be happy with them just being consistent.
nThere has to be a place for all non-Japanese examples. Which there are.
The thing is, yeah, Japanese is a bit too prevalent, but they're used so much so as to be common place. Yandere could easily be something like Crazy For Love, Seppuku is essentially Samurai Suicide, Pettanko...well, to be honest, IMO it's hardly ever a noteworthy trope that isn't covered by A-Cup Angst. But you get the point. They're used because they're so common to Japanese things so as to be more easily associated with that name. Yuri Genre is widely used because of how prevalent it is in Japanese works, but that doesn't mean it should only apply to those.
...Plus I've hardly seen the whole "Japanese names for Japanese works" thing on any other page.
Of this is Japan only there where are non Japanese Lesbian romances found? Every Lesbian Trope seems to be specific to something.
As someone new here, what where those non Japanese examples that where removed?
"Not a stuffy encyclopedic wiki" indeed. Apparently people looking for western lesbian romance need to sift through all the male/male works in Queer Romance, now? Yay. This change is preposterous; I see no reason why Japanese terms can't include clear examples of those things in western works if those tropes are still in western media. If the mods are going to be weirdly anal about this, I suggest we change Yuri Genre to Lesbian Romance, change Yaoi Genre to Gay Romance, and just get rid of the Queer Romance trope.
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