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Why was this renamed? TV Tropes does tend to overuse anime terms, but the former name "Ukefication" fit a lot better. There's also no elaboration on Renamed Tropes.
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I agree; the trope describes something specifically seen in Yaoi fandom, where the term "Uke" gets much circulation, even for fandoms of Western works, so most of the people making use of this trope in the first place likely have heard of "Uke" before. It doesn't matter if the original source material is non-anime, this kind of Character Derailment IS drawn from a very specific anime/manga trope, so it makes sense for the name to refer to that particular trope. "Uke" is also a more well-defined term than the generic "Wimp", which could cover a lot of unrelated things, like Badass Decay, The Worf Effect, or completely non-slash and non-romantic examples of Flanderization, not to mention slash fangirls never actually use "Wimp" seriously anyway.
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We have a policy against Japanese names for non-Japanese specific tropes.
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In this case though, I agree that Ukeification was a better name. Judging by the history of the former name, Eddie (unilaterally?) moved it to Wimpification and locked the redirect to prevent it from being moved back.
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Should we rename this to something like "Softened for Slashship?? "Wimpification" is ambiguous and could cover many tropes like Badass Decay, The Worf Effect, Flanderization, and something related to Diary of a Wimpy Kid.
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Agreed on the first three, but the fourth one is a weird concern.
I don't think we need to worry about renaming tropes just because somewhere out there, there's a work title that has part of the trope title in its name.
But honestly, the title just makes it sound like Badass Decay.
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Why is being a Non-Action Guy supposed to be a bad thing?
I made this Idolized Julius Kingsley icon back when Akito first came out, and now that the crossover is actually happening, I don't care.
Do we need the examples? The problem with putting examples in for fan-work tropes is that the list will never end. This trope can be done to every single male character in Canon existence, and, according to rule 34, probably has (or the internet is trying its hardest to). Pointing out the many ways in which a character in any Canon work can be badly written and OOC is just... ridiculous? Pointless?
From the main page:
- Edd from Ed Edd N Eddy gets hit with this. He gets turned from a sensitive guy to an all-around stereotypical uke; often with an exaggerated Edd, Eddy, or Kevin as the seme. Eddy gets this to, sometimes even when Edd is the Seme; though typically when he's paired with Kevin or sometimes Ed. He gets turned from his brash normal self into a blushing Tsundere. Occasionally Jimmy will also turned into a uke, though he's similar to the Butter's examples, even with Sara, listed above and has become more masculine (or at least aggressive) over the series.
Not to justify it or anything, but wasn't Jimmy already a uke? I never thought you could do to Jimmy what he hasn't already done to himself. Okay, got that out of my system.
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The picture choice needs to be changed badly. All I see is a Chibi-fied anime version of Otakon. That does not imply that he's "weaker" now (unless you think cute=weak which I hope you don't). I don't have a better one that comes in mind, but at least a good Doujinshi shot of an Uke-fied character would be more better.
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You can make an Image Pickin' thread for it.
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The implication (I'm guessing) is "from the masculine scientist dude to a chibified pretty boy who would make the ideal uke" (as uke types tend to be more bishonen-looking and androgynous). Sure, I'd definitely agree we could do with a different pic, though.
However, why was the title changed to Wimpification? This trope happens to male characters who were canonically fairly good, but then getting repeatedly flanderized by Yaoi Fangirls so as to be better ukes. The point behind the trope is "turning guys into sad little drips to make for better Slash Fic". They don't call the, er, "receiver" guy the "wimp". They call him the "uke". I don't care about those who hate "Japanimation" for whatever reason; point is, Ukefication better defined the trope.
Just read the entries for Black Butler, Hetalia, and Supernatural about ukefication. I'm going to bang my head against the wall after reading what fan fic writers have done to my favorite characters.
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The Hetalia section in Main has grown pretty large. What do?
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I just read through the entries for Yu Gi Oh and Death Note. Allow me to go shoot myself as I wonder what those ****ing fangirls did to my poor L!
I question the assertions made in two sections of this trope. One is that slash fans are simply using the "uke" as a proxy or surrogate to imagine themselves in a relationship with a seme. Through my experience reading yaoi, fanfiction, and scholarly research on yaoi, I've seen that a lot of readers are actually exploring different kinds of sexual and romantic roles women could have and/or are deprived of in reality through those relationships. If it was as simple as romantic/sexual "wish fulfillment" (i.e. wanting to get with the seme and do things with the seme that the uke is doing) as the writer of this trope states, why would there be so much physical abuse and rape, as many users have pointed out in specific examples, again and again? Or are they arguing that these female readers and writers wish to be raped and physically abused? There's obviously an amount of alienation from the uke as well as a kind of association/identification with the uke—that is more complex than mere wish-fulfillment. There is ample evidence, through close reading many works in both genres, to show that it also goes beyond merely fetishizing rape and abuse.
The other assertion is in the quote from Minotaur's Tips for Slash Writers, advises writers on realistically portraying gay men. But this has never been the aim of most yaoi or slash fanfiction: many of the characters featured in both do not identify as gay, and I would argue, as the writer of this trope does, that the men in yaoi and slash often don't represent real men either (however, as opposed to the uke being simply a vessel through which a female member of the audience can insert herself, the relationship itself is a slate through which women can experiment with different relationships without all the baggage tied to "women" and "men" in heterosexual relationships). As I mentioned before, female yaoi and slash writers and readers often seem to be exploring gender roles and relationships through these genres. I find it contradictory that the author of this page asserts that the uke is merely a proxy (representing a woman) then quotes someone who assumes the men in these genres are meant to represent men in the real world.
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I don't read enough traditional slash fic to confirm or argue with your statements, but I will hypothesize that some of the rape and abuse in the genre can be attributed to the influence of old romance novels. Heroes of 1970s romance novels often raped and/or abused the heroines to emphasize their masculinity and reinforce gender polarization. Some slash fic writers may operate under the notion that cruelty toward one's partner is the only way to establish the seme as dominant, just as many romance authors did with their heroes.
Furthermore, I take issue with the quotation from Minotaur's Tips. Maybe his relationships with men were rife with emotional distance, but that doesn't describe all male characters who become the subject of slash fiction. Some fictional men are indeed emotional or even effeminate. Even if you translate his advice to creating original characters, it doesn't hold water because he's effectively saying that authors should only create traditionally manly characters when writing men.
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Nothing annoys this Kaibax Joey-shipping troper more than the reduction of strong, independent, badass, firey Cloud Cuckoo Lander Joey into a simpering, sugar-sweet submissive, "anything to please my Master" (EEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!), weakling uke— except maybe turning KAIBA into an ultra-uke. WHY? WHHHYYYYY??
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Sorry, I didn't mean to respond to your post!
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I've been on the Internet for years, I know I shouldn't be surprised about this, but... there is Nick Clegg/David Cameron slashfic?
(brain explodes).
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There's always political slashfic.
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Do you guys think this trope can be added to the Bad Writing index? After all, this is usually a subtrope of Out of Character and Canon Defilement, and can also be a symptom of being a Possession Sue
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I just wanted to add this about this point:
- In District Nine Slash Fic (what little there is), Wikus is generally turned from a mentally unstable and violent Half Human Hybrid to a scared little kitten who quickly abandons his smoking-hot wife for a seven foot tall grasshopper, and may or may not mother its children.
What... the... hell? Seriously?
TRS discussion to move back to Ukefication and retool to be about fandom perception of a character: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1622566233008306000