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Feb 28th 2017 at 4:55:19 AM •••

Not strictly alliteration, but the Japanese title for ACCA: 13-Territory Inspection Dept. is ''Acca: Ju-san-ku Kansatsu-ka". It's not "alliteration", but there's something with those K and S sounds that make it sound really snappy, and... it just really fits the feel of the series (... meanwhile, "thirteen territory inspection department" is a clumsy mouthful", but that's another issue). So, I guess it's not this trope, but is it something?

Feb 25th 2014 at 2:24:39 PM •••

Is it really necessary to highlight all the v's in the title quote? I doubt any reader could miss them, especially on a page about alliteration. It just looks like we're insulting the readers' intelligence.

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Feb 25th 2014 at 2:29:03 PM •••

Eh, I don't think they harm much, and in such a long quote single letters could easily drown.

Aug 24th 2013 at 11:40:37 AM •••

Note: Trope Talk thread on which forms of alliteration are covered by this page.

Jun 4th 2013 at 4:00:06 PM •••

I realized that the name is note phonetically alliterative. (Added begins with an -, not a -uh.) Maybe Additional Alliterative Appeal would work?

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Jul 26th 2013 at 4:16:01 AM •••

Well-spotted. I would support it, though renames must go through TRS.

On a related note, here is a list of tropes I removed because those A's in the title are no alliterative.

Deleted * Alien Abduction * Alien Arts Are Appreciated * Author Avatar * Alien Autopsy. * Australian Accent * Amphibious Automobile * Always Accurate Attack * Amusing Alien. * Anonymous Author * Audio Adaptation * Australian Accent. * Awesome Art * Awesomeness by Analysis * Awesome Anachronistic Apparel. The a's are pronounced differently and don't have the same sounds * Anonymous Author. More tropes starting in A's should be checked.

Jul 27th 2013 at 7:34:03 PM •••

reply to Sean Murray I to his edit notes:

Here are the trope names you put back transcribed in IPA. Clearly the beginnings are not the same vowels. If there are some major changes in various accents, then I'm sorry. But in standard Am Emg or Br Eng, there are most definitely not alliterative.

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Jul 27th 2013 at 8:48:17 PM •••

Well, we're I'm from, myself and others pronounce "alien" with a much softer vowel sound than in AY-lee-en. More like air-LEE-in, making it sound much more alliterative. air-LEE-in ab-DUK-shun.

As far as anything else, I think this is flat out too much of a fuss. Simply put, most soft-A sounds sound alike (they certainly do when grouped as Always Accurate Attack, Anti-Air, Airleein Abduction, and Airleein Arts Are Appreciated). Alien Arts Are Appreciated, in particular, sounds like it contains two like pairings of A-letter words (Arts + Are, Alien + Appreciated). Again, maybe it's just my accent, but any slight differences between any A vowels seems so miniscule, it seems like a fuss to make sure editors are conscious of six or more pronunciation symbols for a single letter.

Other clearly non-alliterative A-pairings like Australian Accent or Amoral Attorney and anything that much more obvious I already look out for and definitely try and keep off this page. Anti-Air though? Any fluctuation in the A sounds are so minimal to me, I don't even care to notice the "differences".

Jul 28th 2013 at 2:27:56 AM •••

Too much of a fuss? They are phonetically very different sound and 'a' vowels differ very prominently. They are hard to learn for foreigners to pronounce correctly because there are so many and often are "stigmatizing" mistakes: if you mispronounce them, you are recognized as non-native spaeker.

BTW, I saw in the history that you deleted Trivial Title, saying that "tr" is phonetically equivalent to "chr" and sounds nothing like a hard "t". Not alliterative... true phonetically, but human brain is trained to recognize them as very alike sounds because of the same spelling.

So make up your mind, please. Either make a fuss out of everything and hold phonetic standards to every example, or allow that the writing can be thought alliterative as well.

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Jul 28th 2013 at 1:12:00 PM •••

Did you not finish reading what I already wrote?

I'll repeat: "Other clearly non-alliterative A-pairings like Australian Accent or Amoral Attorney and anything that much more obvious I already look out for and definitely try and keep off this page."

Yes, thank you, XFllo; you have found the easily-accessible evidence of me doing exactly what I already told you I've been keeping an eye on this page for. Obvious mismatched consonants that are in no way alliterative, such as S & Sh, P & Ph, P & Ps, soft C & hard C, hard C & Ch, hard T & Th, hard T & Tr, etc. have been purged by me personally for months now.

What you're demanding, though, is that I start fussing over the more subtly perceived differences in phrases like "Alien Abduction", "Always Accurate Attack", "Omnipotent Observer", and "Aunt Annie" which are either perfectly alliterative in certain dialects (certainly in mine) and/or are too subtle to even notice.

You cannot compare the distinct consonant contrasts in Trivial Title with your gripe on Always Accurate Attack, and you already know I'm not going to take you seriously when you push that argument. What else you got?

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Telcontar MOD
Jul 28th 2013 at 1:46:54 PM •••

Please remember to not let this get heated, ladies and gents.

Jul 28th 2013 at 1:56:21 PM •••

I stand by my statement that Alien Abduction and Always Accurate Attack are not alliterative and that they have very distinct vowel sound. Omnipotent Observer is neither. (Not sure about Aunt Annie in Am-E, but it's certainly not alliterative in Br-E.)

Omnipotent is pronounced /ɒmˈnɪpətənt/ in Br. E. and /ɑːmˈnɪpətənt/ in Am. E. Oberver is pronounced /əbˈzɜːrvər/ with a neutral vowel in both.

I kind of wonder where you come from. :-) Sorry for being nosy, but I'm exposed to British and American media, but I've never encountered an accent that would have that indistinct vowels.

I could be purging the list also. I always use trustworthy dictionaries to check the pronunciation. I certainly don't deny your hard work on the list.

Jul 28th 2013 at 1:59:45 PM •••

@Telcontar: Thanks for reminding me, I'll try not to care that much. It only seems weird to me that Sean M is so particular about consonants, rightly so in most cases, but vowels sound all the same to his ears when they are not.

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Jul 29th 2013 at 11:08:32 AM •••

But I already acknowledged that vowels don't "sound all the same" to my ears.

I'll repeat, again: "Other clearly non-alliterative A-pairings like Australian Accent or Amoral Attorney ... I already look out for and definitely try and keep off this page."

Honestly, you're not gonna get very far in a discussion like this if you're just going to blatantly misrepresent what I'm already spelling out for you. I never said all vowels sound the same to me, and my curator history on this page shows I am conscious of mixes of hard and soft vowel pronunciations that are more-than-obviously never alliterative. You don't see me arguing "Anvilicious Aesop", "Eerie Encounter", "Idiotic Idea", "Out in the Open", "Ultimate Unicorn", or anything else like that as belonging on this index, so don't suggest that I am.

Most soft vowels, however, sound so similar or vary so much by dialect it's not worth fussing over when it's not as objectively clear cut as most other poor additions that get added this index.

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Jul 30th 2013 at 12:28:54 PM •••

Yet you re-added Anti-Air and Alien Abduction, despite the fact that one word's 'a' is a diphthong (air, alien) and and the other is near-open front vowel ("ash" in anti and abduction). I won't delete it because I don't want to edit war, but it's simply not alliterative.

As the OP noticed, nor is the name of this index.

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Jul 30th 2013 at 12:57:29 PM •••

I apparently can't find a source that explains alliteration of vowels in detail, but what I know is that in Old English alliterative verse, all vowels are considered as alliterating with each other. While this may not be not the only possible definition, it might be an argument for not being too restrictive in that respect. See also the post by TheNinth just a little below us, who already said essentially the same thing.

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Jul 30th 2013 at 7:31:07 PM •••

By the English definition of alliteration an A is an A, an E is an E, an I is an I, etc. This definition has not changed. Since we're basically arguing semantics anyway, I say we go with the official definition.

Jul 31st 2013 at 8:21:12 AM •••

So, what's the "official definition" and where can I look it up?

Jul 31st 2013 at 10:55:59 AM •••

Oy. Barring an agreement soon, I smell a potential Trope Repair Shop in the works.

Aug 26th 2013 at 6:48:27 AM •••

Man, talk about Serious Business. All over a Just for Fun index. I'm so confused now. O_O

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Jan 28th 2012 at 7:12:37 PM •••

Is it just me or does this not make sense? It's possible for Abandoned Area to be intentionally alliterative, but not likely. Furthermore, there's just no way that An Aesop was supposed to be alliterative. It feels as though half of these tropes should be removed.

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Mar 7th 2012 at 8:53:26 PM •••

If I'm being completely honest, it doesn't make any sense to me that this is an index, especially considering that practically every link in the site uses it as a trope.

Sep 27th 2012 at 5:25:02 AM •••

Alliteration may also include the use of different consonants with similar properties or even the unwritten glottal stop that precedes virtually every word-initial vowel in the English language, as in the phrase "Apt alliteration's artful aid" (despite the unique pronunciation of the "a" in each word.

Jun 22nd 2010 at 11:03:55 PM •••

Is there a page for the ACTUAL use od alliteration as a trope, e.g. in Dominic Deegan ?

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May 2nd 2012 at 3:05:54 PM •••

I have something to say about an example pointed out in the "Katawa Shoujo" computer game. This is how one aliteration was described:

◦The scene in Act 1 where you meet Emi while going out with Shizune and Misha is called "Short Sharp Shock".

The phrase actually comes from Gilbert & Sullivan's Mikado (and, funnily enough, Misha's family name is Mikado, making her alliterative as well). It's from the Trio in which Nanki-Poo, Koko and Pish Tush (IIRC) are singing that they "don't much care:

To sit in sullen silence in a dull dark dock In a pestilential prison with a lifelong lock Awaiting the occasion of a short sharp shock From a cheap and chippy chopper on a big black block!"

Now THAT's alliteration!

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