Misused: Added Alliterative Appeal

Added Alliterative Appeal - It's typed as an index of tropes, but it's mainly used as a trope.

Previous Repair calls were just locked because of clocks running out...

Latest Previous attempt at resolution. Got locked due to the New Year's Purge.

I'll try to cut to the chase:

I have Alliterative Phrasing TLP that's made to take the concept that AAA is currently used for.

Some people think that Added Alliterative Appeal should just be revamped into a trope page, instead of just an index.

Others want an index specifically named for alliteration, like Alliterative Index or something.

As Alliterative Phrasing TLP just needs one more hat for a sum total of 5 hats, I'm doing this again, so I know whether to launch, or just change AAA into my TLP.

Seems like the easy fix is to turn this page into the trope. I don't see a good reason for spreading out the concept between two pages.

Tropes with alliterative names were already moved to subpages of that trope, so I see no reason not to re-purpose this as a trope for alliterative phrasing and maybe alliteration in general (if the latter is considered tropeworthy enough), maybe also making it a supertrope for Alliterative Name, Alliterative Title, etc. Currently, the page is kind of bare since the index contains very little.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 16th 2018 at 12:35:46 PM

So, move my Alliterative Phrasing TLP examples into Added Alliterative Appeal, and either launch that as a redirect, or nuke it?

Turning the current index into a trope gets my vote. It's a much easier fix to just copy over the examples (and links to connected tropes from the description), and then it becomes the trope a lot of people default to thinking it already is.

Edited by Unsung on Sep 6th 2018 at 3:36:39 AM

Make it a trope. Alliteration is actually noteworthy and used for various purposes in fiction. Using it as an index of tropes with alliterative names is a lot less interesting to me, since the tropes don't actually have anything in common other than the fact that someone decided to give them alliterative names.

I agree with the above two posts.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 7th 2018 at 5:13:43 AM

So, 4 votes to change it to a trope, and I'm fine with it...

Do we need more votes?

Make it a trope, but I'd like to keep the indexing as well.

I'll throw in my hat for "make into a trope". The index part could be transplanted into a new name.

So, that's 6 votes now... And no dissention?

Is that satisfactorially consensual?

Oh, that's why this gets so overused — it didn't get a decent definition because it wasn't truly a trope.

I'm in favor of any action that lets me chainsaw wicks that are "a character just says some words that start with the same sound and it's clearly not intentional at all".

Question: What difference would the two approaches make for the task of reviewing the ca. 2,000 wicks? I am for the approach with the least amount of work.

Make into a trope, but remove examples of the type mentioned two posts above.

- If we made a new trope, then valid examples would be renamed to go there...

While making this a trope would just be leaving them.

Scrubbing non-examples, and renaming things into more applicable tropes would be basically the same no matter what.

Then there's whether we allow potholing when any troper uses alliteration... Which I'm against, but not as much, since my main issues was just whether this was or wasn't an index / trope.

Edited by Malady on Oct 7th 2018 at 7:17:49 AM

x4 I agree with removing those kinds of wicks.

How long does a phrase have to be before it can be considered this?

Not necessarily about number of words — it's about sounds and intent. It could happen in a single (possibly made-up) word if it it had enough syllables, if the intent was there, to draw attention to itself for stylistic effect.

Voting to move Alliterative Phrasing TLP examples into Added Alliterative Appeal to make it a trope.

I count 8:0 votes. Ready to go?

I think we still need a good description and a tight definition of alliteration.

Like, if alliteration can actually be possible in a single word, or are we being strict and going with the dictionary definition of "Words" that start with the same letters or sounds.

Alliterative Phrasing TLP defines the trope, as needing it to at least occur frequently, so it's either a character's speech pattern, or a pattern for a part of a sentence, such that simple short phrases that spring to the mouth, like "knobby knees" aren't included.

Edited by Malady on Oct 27th 2018 at 8:38:00 AM

So, is everyone okay with using Alliterative Phrasing TLP's description of alliteration?

I say that it needs at least three words to count, if it's a whole sentence? But that still seems like a loose definition.

Edited by Malady on Dec 3rd 2018 at 1:46:13 AM

I'm fine with transplanting the description.

So, we previously had consensus of 8, and I guess people are fine with the description.

Change page now?

Bump 'cause my TLP was bumped.