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openEditWar Western Animation
On this page:
- Darklightprince added this entry.
- I deleted it for coming across as complaining.
- Darklightprince re-adds it back.
As a side note, they also sent me a YMMV notifier for deleting the example. It could be an accident, though.
Edited by skan123open TRS crowner
There is an active crowner for What Measure Is a Non-Badass? at the Trope Repair Shop. Click here if you want to join the discussion.
open TRS crowner
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open British "Gypsy" vs European "Gypsy"
British works often use "gypsy" to mean Irish Traveller, so there's quite a few examples on Roguish Romani (the stereotypes are the same although the two peoples aren't related). Should these be removed or commented out, or do we consider the trope is flexible enough for both?
open Accidentally Correct Zoology
There seems to be a bit of confusion about Accidentally Correct Zoology and how it differs from Accidentally-Correct Writing.
So, the purpose of ACZ was that a fictional species is created by a work, and a species resembling that is later discovered. (Like the rhinoceros beetle that resembles Dim seen in the page image, or the prehistoric mammal that resembles Scrat.)
But there's examples below where the species was already known, but not the behavior (like the Tarzan example; we knew gorillas existed when the film was made, but not that they fished for termites), and I don't know if that counts for ACZ.
And to make it worse, there's examples where the thing already was known at the time (like the Looney Tunes Tasmanian Devil example) but the creators didn't know, which just sounds redundant with Accidentally-Correct Writing.
Should we just merge ACZ with ACW?
Edited by MrMediaGuy2openShould Attack names be in Quotes marks
In various games pages especially, I sometimes see that attack names are in quotes. But is it really necessary to put them? Because I while in theory, it would make things easy to read, I wonder if it's really needed (unlike nicknames which don't often need qoute marks for marking).
openNot Sure Why this happened but
I was trying to make a new account because after like a decade I’ve wanted to change my username to be the same as everywhere else. My attempt got blocked by admin and I’m not sure why. So I’m just left with this username. I wanted to come back to edit the wiki for other fiction I’ve gotten into and idk having this handle still is a lot dysphoria inducing idk.
open TRS crowner
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openGetting into account
I made an account using my University email but have found out that it will be deactivated later this month. The name of the email was changed with alumni added in so I can't find how to get into the account. Who should I contact?
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Edited by GastonRabbitopen Edit War
White_Lodge added AmbiguousGenderIdentity to Spider Verse Gwen's trope list. After being expanded by other people, it got deleted by ShadowSJG. White_Lodge readds it, then ShadowSJG redeletes it.
Edited by ChytusopenOlympic Games' Useful Conundrum
Funny.Useful Notes is unindexed, with no examples and a single subpage. Despite being a Useful Notes page, Olympic Games has several moments subpages. AwesomeMusic.Olympic Games is unindexed, Funny.Olympic Games is indexed under Funny.Useful Notes instead of Funny.Other, while the rest (Awesome.Olympic Games and Heartwarming.Olympic Games) are indexed appropriately. I would like permission to move AwesomeMusic.Olympic Games into its own folder at AwesomeMusic.Sports, move Funny.OlympicGames's index from Funny.Useful Notes to Funny.Other, and cutlist Funny.Useful Notes and AwesomeMusic.Olympic Games.
...That is, unless Useful Notes are not allowed to have Moments subpages, in which case we should nuke 'em all.
Edited by JHD0919openSomeone deleting fridge entries Film
Someone on the fridge page for John Wick 4 has deleted most of the contributions, based on very petty and subjective reasons, IMO. Is that allowed? https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Fridge.JohnWickChapter4
resolved Un-discarded TLP draft
On May 30, I know for a fact that I discarded this draft. However, it still remains on the list of TLP drafts, so someone's restored it without mentioning that they have (or adding anything to the draft).
For the record, the draft had 10 bombs, 0 hats, and it was PSOC. I thought that would be enough of a reason to discard it.
openhow much natter is allowed on headscratchers? Videogame
Parts of The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom is reading like a micro-forum as people add replies.
See the entire folder below I pulled from the page (reminder: contains unmarked spoilers):
- Perhaps she doesn't want to be coronated until Hyrule is at least restored to a basically functional kingdom again? Alternatively, she may be awaiting some ceremonial age of majority (as she is still biologically a teenager) or there may even be some kind of ancient dynastic tradition requiring her to complete some ritual, quest, or even just getting married before assuming formal queenship.
- As the original question noted, she's probably not biologically a teenager as years are implied to have passed since the first game, however, it is noted at the start of the game that Hyrule Castle has fallen even further into a state of disrepair. Further, Zelda and Link have been living in a simple home together since the Calamity. Perhaps until the castle is restored Zelda can't officially become queen, or she simply sees other matters as more important for now. The nation was able to hold itself together with just its regional leaders for a hundred years, so presumably there is no hurry to crown a new king or queen.
- Neither Link nor Zelda have gotten noticeably older or taller in the interim, compared to the adult Hylians we meet they're still significantly shorter. However much time has passed between games, it seems very unlikely to have to have been the real life six years.
- Indeed, probably not six years. But Zelda was seventeen before she went into stasis with Ganon. Given Hylians grow and age like humans, she wouldn't likely get any taller (most girls have reached their max height by sixteen). Link might as men can grow for a few more years, but chances are they are both just shorter than average Hylians.
- It seems rather unlikely that both Link and Zelda would have remained exactly the same physically if significant amounts of time had passed. Further, Riju is at an age where she ought to be growing significantly were much time to have passed, and yet, hairstyle aside, she doesn't appear to have changed much. I can see little reason to assume that anything more than a handful of months have passed between the games.
- Hudson and Rhondson (who are introduced to each other by Link during Breath of the Wild) have a daughter that's old enough to read and write (and has the usual "young child" model for the Gerudo), it's undeniably that at least around 5 years have passed, any character that didn't change was just due to the designers not wanting to redesign them. As for the original Headscratchers, Zelda probably doesn't want to get crowned before she's helped the kingdom recover in a more hands on way, or something like that.
- For another bit of proof that Link is older and simply short, he's now able to order the Noble Pursuit drink from the Gerudo that he was regarded as too young for in Breath of the Wild.
- The Noble Pursuit Link can order is specifically stated to be a new recipe that all ages can enjoy; the creator even comments that normally Link would still be too young to drink the old version.
- Which just raises questions about what is it about that drink that requires such a high age. Especially when to my knowledge it is never even said to be alcoholic. Regarding Riju, she did get taller. She was about half a head shorter than Link in the previous game, but now from what I can tell is slightly taller than him.
- It probably is alcoholic, but they wouldn't be able to say as such explicitly without raising the age rating and so just had to imply it.
- As the original question noted, she's probably not biologically a teenager as years are implied to have passed since the first game, however, it is noted at the start of the game that Hyrule Castle has fallen even further into a state of disrepair. Further, Zelda and Link have been living in a simple home together since the Calamity. Perhaps until the castle is restored Zelda can't officially become queen, or she simply sees other matters as more important for now. The nation was able to hold itself together with just its regional leaders for a hundred years, so presumably there is no hurry to crown a new king or queen.
- It could be simply that a royal title doesn't have much priority for Zelda. Given how humble she is, she's probably more concerned with her reasearch, her personal life and helping out everyone, wherever she can. Given how harsh her life was as a princess prior to the calamity, she may even prefer the lifestyle as a commoner, rather than going back to being royalty.
- The above explanation is supported by the fact that Zelda has been living in Link's house in Hateno Village, while in Hyrule Castle there are no signs of her having moved back there.
- It's questionable whether the kingdom of Hyrule even exists anymore. The kingdom was destroyed over a 100 years ago, and ever since then various regions and towns of Hyrule have been self-governing units that work just fine without a higher king/queen above their regional leader. The majority of Hyrulians don't even have any memory of a unified rule, since only among the Zora is there a large number of people who were alive before the Calamity. Considering all this, maybe Zelda doesn't even want to try and restore the kingdom? What right does he have to force her rule on people who have been living without such rule for generations? The reason why everyone still calls her Princess Zelda might be out of tradition, or out of respect for her part in ending the Calamity, not because they still consider her to be their future ruler.
While I understand the game is still new and everyone including me wants to talk about it, but it feels like questions are getting derailed just because parts of the game were missed (which is reasonable given how big the game is) or just segueing into a different discussion entirely.
The original question is just over Zelda's title as princess but it's derailed into a discussion about the time gap between Tears of the Kingdom and Breath of the Wild and other parts of the game with not too much relevance beyond "Zelda should be old enough to be queen".
Is this just normal Headscratchers discussion?
Should I delete the parts that are derailing from the original question? Or should I just move the discussion into a separate folder entirely since I think discussing the game's Time Skip does have some merit.
EDIT: last-minute edit of spoilers, I haven't used this site for a while (specifically ATT) and thought my post would be cut off a little when I posted.
Edited by INeverresolved Is linking recap pages mandatory on TLP?
When I'm on Trope Launch Pad, I generally don't link to Recap pages, because I have a hard time remembering season and episode numbers. However, sometimes people in the comments tell (not suggest, tell) me to link them. So is it mandatory?
Bringing this one back to ATT as we've failed to reach an immediate consensus on forums - and we now have a disagreement on how to proceed until we do have a consensus.
Marvel's 2022 comic book miniseries X-Cellent was followed by / relaunched as 2023's miniseries The X-Cellent (Recycled Titles, especially character/team titles, are pretty standard for Marvel). That second series is still an ongoing work.
Over the last year or two the prevailing approach has been to create a new page (or, at the very least, a soft split) for comic relaunches of this nature, but StrixObscuro made the point that it may be close enough to the original to be handled as a single work, adding that "I see no reason why we should humor Marvel's cynical relaunches" note
As there was no consensus for an immediate merge, the agreement by default became to wait and see how this progresses, then revisit it when the work's complete, or at least less incomplete - e.g. is it going to get a third installment and how will it be handled for collected editions? We can then make a more informed decision to merge or not.
However, we still seem to have a difference of opinion on how we act in the interim - StrixObscuro has added examples for characters and events from the 2023 sequel to the 2022 series's page.
I moved them over to the 2023 page, not realising this had been a deliberate choice, on the basis that until/unless we merge, tropers wouldn't expect to hit spoilers (tagged or otherwise) or plot details for the new series on the previous installment's works page.
StrixObscuro then challenged that, saying that their view is that we should continue to update it with tropes from both series "until consensus finally and definitively decides that the two pages should remain split".
Can we get a steer on this aspect? I think we've dropped into entrenched positions on this one (and the Marvel cleanup thread's been pretty quiet), so I don't think we're going to resolve it ourselves.
For context, the original ATT is here, and the original cleanup thread discussion starts here.
Edited by Mrph1