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So this was discussed in the Justice League thread
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Consensus seems to be leaning towards "it's such a downplayed example that it's effectively not an example."
My personal thoughts are calling Adaptational anything is kinda silly for a character who's had dozens, if not hundreds of writers over the years so that's already varying wildly, and arguing that his character has been shown to be markedly different from a single, very short scene is silly.
And yeah, you have a point that it's quite speculative. Is he being pragmatic? Is he being nicer? Is he feeling lazy? Is he hungover and can't deal with this now? Is he so excited to know about Earth that he's single-mindedly focused on it and ignoring Dasaad?
Given that between the Discussion page, this ATT, and that thread there's discussion on three places simultaneously, we should probably just have it at one place, either here or on the Discussion page and link that at the others. But either way that's too many places.
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He's not even being a nice guy, and the example fails to explain anything. I would delete it.
Cut, is pedantic tropping.
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Troper Whirl RX in the Is this an example? page says that we should cut it. So, what should we do?
^ What do you mean, “what should we do?”. It seems like everybody unambiguously agrees it should be cut.
Adaptational Nice Guy is when a character, who is a jerk in the source material, is a nice guy in the adaptation. In the context of villains, it would be genocidal Bob who killed babies in the adaptation being that he is a villain but has honor, loved ones and his plans were less evil.
From what I understand of the source material: Darkseid IS still a piece of work, only than in the movie he comes off as less impressive. This is a People Sits On Chairs situation.
Edited by Tomodachi To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
@Master Hero Looking at the edit history, I saw you commented out the edit, then someone else uncommented it out, then you commented it out again. That’s called an edit war, please don’t do that.
Edit: And like I said before, you don’t need to comment these edits just because you’re discussing them.
Edited by antenna_ears
In the character page for Apokolips, Darkseid has an entry for Adaptational Nice Guy with the following context:
"If you can believe it! Normally, Darkseid is utterly intolerant of losing, and will often take out his rage on his underlings who failed him. And if not his underlings, then anyone who happens to be nearby. He will also try to get in one last parting shot if he knows he's beaten (see Dan Turpin's fate in Superman: The Animated Series). Not to mention, he also does not tolerate being questioned, even by his advisorsnote . Here, however, when Steppenwolf's severed head is sent through the boomtube and the heroes stare him down, he calmly lets the boomtube close without making a move, and when Desaad seemingly gloats that he told Darkseid that Steppenwolf would fail, Darkseid acknowledges Desaad's words, before simply ordering that an armada be readied instead."
I have to ask: is this really valid? To me, this comes off as Adaptational Pragmatic Villainy or something. This is the same thing that happened when the Superman from the DC Animated Universe was labelled an Adaptational Wimp simply because he wasn't as astronomically powerful as comic book Superman or when the Batman from the DC Extended Universe was labelled an Adaptational Dumbass simply because he wasn't a borderline-omniscient super-genius as comic book Batman. What do you say?