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Based on Captain Marvel and other announced superhero films, one would conclude that pages based on the name alone are permitted, so long as you include three trope examples.
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I think cancel series get cut.
^ Saying that "you think" something rarely means anything without proof.
If there are enough examples to make the page despite the cancellation, the page should stay.
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.
There are enough examples to keep it. According to the deletion reason, Disney.Gigantic was cut for being a stub, not solely because it was cancelled.
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^ Maybe it was originally a stub. I remember at minimum rewriting the page and it wasn't a stub when I cut it. It was moved to Gigantic 2020 and my cut reason for "The film was cancelled partway through development and there aren't enough tropes to keep the page."
Yet, Sly Cooper (2016) still exists despite the film being cancelled last year.
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If it has examples for at least three tropes and properly written (the examples are based on released promo material such as trailer or game's demo, not Speculative Troping), then there should be no problem.
Every unreleased work has demonstrated Speculative Troping problems, although not everyone cares enough to bring the pages to ATT (I suppose because they believe the speculation).
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Never understood the practice of making work pages for works that were never released. This page shouldn't exist, The Day the Clown Cried shouldn't exist.
^ Looking over that page, it has a leaked script. So it has enough info to have a page. I don't see the problem with pages for works that were never released officially, but have been released to the public elsewhere. Star Fox 2 had a page long before the SNES Classic released it officially for the first time. Likewise with something like Thrill Kill, which was not allowed to be released but found its way online
Castlevania Resurrection, however, has never had any sort of release as far as I can tell. No ROM, no scripts, no nothing. All we have is screencaps and videos. I know plenty of games with more info that could have pages, but the fact they were cancelled and no one owns a copy means it can't have a page.
^ We can't assume Development Hell without any signs of such. There are three main types of unreleased works:
- Works with a known future release date (example: Captain Marvel (2019))
- Works that have been officially confirmed as canceled (example: Castlevania: Resurrection)
- Works that fit neither of the above (example: Half-Life 3)
^^ That rule applies to works that we know are coming out, not works that were cancelled before the page was even created. It's fine to make a page for a works a few months prior to launch, as long as it fits the three-example rule, because it'll get more examples eventually.
^^ Agreed; assuming any trope would violate the No Speculation rules. Assuming the aversion is also Speculation. We can assume an on-time release date of 8 March 2019 because of past examples. We can assume that it will be a blockbuster film and earn the studio millions of dollars because of past examples. We can assume that the main character will be an Action Hero because of past examples. We can assume that it will have The Stinger after the credits because of past examples. In this context, assuming and speculating are synonymous.
Current wiki policy allows works from all three categories to have a main wiki page, as long as it meets the minimum description and minimum of three tropes with context. Edited by crazysamaritan Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
A few months ago, I requested The Governator to be cut since it was canceled years ago, but it was declined because "the page is long enough to keep", even though the page barely has anything on it at all, and even what little it does have is mostly production-related things like Ink-Suit Actor, or a line in the description about a Similarly Named Work; little-to-nothing to do with the actual work itself.
However, Stargate Worlds (a canceled video game) was cut when I requested it, even though that page was actually longer than the one for Governator, so who knows.
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^^ So... We can make pages for works that were cancelled, as long as the page has enough actual info?
^ In such cases, how do you avoid speculative troping?
Aye, there's the rub.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Case-by-case through Discussion threads as needed.
A description and three examples are worth keeping, particularly if it has an image, is crosswicked, and hopefully linked from other pages. If there's no image and it can be summarized on another page? Sure, do that. But an unfinished work can still be a work, and can still be troped.
That said, I wouldn't be opposed to it having a separate namespace or something from actual completed works.
^ They're not just unfinished. They're never released.
Fanfic works actually have to be published in some form before we allow a page for it.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
I was just joking about how fanfics never get finished, I wasn't being serious.
WesternAnimation.Toon Makers Sailor Moon has a page despite no copy being known to exist (only a promotional video and a few cells). It had a TRS thread
that agreed it could stay.
But, what's the difference between troping an unreleased work and troping something that was cut from a work but exists? For example, examples from Cut Songs can't be troped.
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Songs in general aren't given their own pages, just albums. Unfinished or unreleased, though, if we know enough about a work to list tropes, I don't see why this is a problem. I don't think it would be a huge deal to make it clearer that they're unreleased with a namespace of their own.
What about supposedly upcoming stuff, like Portal 2: Repercussions?
The Protomen enhanced my life.
^ "Supposedly upcoming" means "not canceled", correct?
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.
^^^^ Friday by Rebecca Black has a page. There's nothing stopping a particular tropey song from getting a page, afaik.
A script and animation cels from the pitch of Toon Makers’ Sailor Moon have been discovered since that TRS thread concluded.
Keet cleanup
Feels like this is better discussed in the forums, as we're up to 30 posts in this query.
I was looking at Canceled Video Games and I noticed a page for Castlevania: Resurrection. It's an unreleased game that has never been leaked. Are pages simply based on prereleased info allowed? I presume not, because I remember the Disney's Gigantic page was cut for that reason.