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I think that quote's good for SOMETHING; I'm just not sure if CM is that something.

Also, aside from the renaming, I'm fine with the Satan rewrite.

Edited by ACW on Jun 28th 2020 at 5:43:19 AM

Fate Worse Then Death ?

Hegel stop playing with entries you've been told not to. This is getting ridiculous.

Though, I will say again, there DO seem to be factual inaccuracies.

Alright then. How about this other quote from Quan Chi?

I like that quote. I say go with the rewrite to avoid factual errors.

I say we keep the dis part but change the other ones

Edited by papyru30 on Jun 28th 2020 at 3:57:38 AM

But their nitpicks. Dis actually is one of his names anyway so why does that need to be changed.

That quote may work.

The name is a nitpick (hell, just do Dis/Lucifer), but the other 2 things are factual things.

Edited by ACW on Jun 28th 2020 at 6:04:03 AM

Okay Whitehead looks like a bust, and I probably can't propose the other guy on account of him being dead before the episode with no flashbacks.

So moving on here is another new series that I enjoyed, one which thankfully isn't canceled prematurely.

Now Gangs of London is a British crime drama and in my opinion not just one of the best new shows to come out of this year, but one of the best in a long time, that I’d really recommend to anyone.

After several decades of near total dominion and laundering billions of pounds, Finn Wallace the most powerful crime boss in all of London is murdered and no one knows by whom. The underworld is thrown into turmoil, as everyone struggles to adjust, adapt and hopefully take advantage of this upset in the status quo.

Sean Wallace, Finn’s eldest son and successor, is on a rampage to find out who killed his father, even if it means burning London to the ground; whilst Finn’s former partner Ed Dumani attempts to maintain some level of stability, all the while keeping one eye on his own families future. Luan, the leader of Albania’s, attempts to ensure his deal with Finn is kept, as he plans to break the Wallace’s monopoly on building skyscrapers (it being this that enabled Finn to rule for so long). Meanwhile undercover police officer Eliot Finch manages to exploit the crisis to get into Sean’s inner circle, thus finally having a the chance to bring it all down, but can he wade through the darkness without being seduced. And then there are the people who are really behind the series turmoil, the investors.

Now I won’t lie, this series has an incredibly high heinous standard. But having said that I think I’ve found two potential candidates from the first season.

Unsurprisingly with a series that involves just about every type of gang in London (and beyond), this series features a variety of dangerous mob bosses none of whom prove to be a stranger to getting their hands dirty to accomplish their goals. However, there is one name who manages to stand out from the rest.

So without further ado, let me introduce you to my first (as well as largest and most likely) candidate Mosi.

Who Is he:

An understated, yet brutal Nigerian crime lord who is notorious to the point that even other mobsters are weary of doing deals with him with.

Needing more money to construct his skyscraper and knowing that Mosi is seeking to expand his base, Luan approaches him for a deal offering to split the profits.

This however, proves to be a mistake.

What Does He Do:

We’re first introduced to Mosi in episode three, when Luan visits him Nigeria to reassure him that the deal will still go through despite Finn’s death complicating matters. Mosi takes Luan to see another building he’s having constructed. Initially appearing civil, he then introduces him to a wounded man locked in a cage.

Whilst the terrified man begs him for mercy Mosi has the cage boarded up and then filled with concrete becoming one of the support pillars for the floor, with the scene showing the sheer number of identical pillars, several with similar restraints, implying this is the not the first time he’s done this. Telling Luan to make him his money, Mosi leaves the visibly startled Luan.

Despite the odds Luan does manage to get everything back on track, with Ed signing off on allowing his skyscraper to be built. Unfortunately, unknown to everyone Finn cheated him and set up a time delayed transfer to steal all the money and hide it in one of his offshore bank accounts before he died.

Discovering his money is gone and not interested in the fact that Luan genuinely didn’t have it, a furious Mosi arrived in London with three of his enforcers. Following giving a speech to them and handing out weapons, he leads them to the investment bank which had handled the cash transfer. Arriving Mosi has his men massacre everyone inside with Machetes, cutting off their hands before hacking them to death.

Saving the banking governor for last, Mosi ignores his pleas that they don’t have the money and personally severs his hand from his arm before killing him. Arriving at Luan’s home, where he is in the process of throwing a birthday party for his youngest daughter Bukuroshe (who’s around six). Giving her the dog of the man he just killed as a birthday present, Mosi makes it clear to Luan that he wants his money back by the end of the week or else he will kill Luan’s entire family.

When Luan’s attempts to get Ed’s help fail, he realises his only hope is to kill Mosi first (something that’s especially problematic as he’s already lost all his loyal enforcers by this point). Sending his family off to the safe house, and then with his remaining loyal right hand Tarik he organises a plan to strike Mosi in his motel room using Chinese gangster Jin Li (who introduced them in the first place) to find out where Mosi is.

Unfortunately Li decides he’s more afraid of Mosi than Luan, and betrays him. Thus upon the supposed ambush, Li lures Tarik into a trap and Mosi has him carved apart, leaving his body parts in a laundry basket outside his room to distract Luan.

Catching him at machete point, Mosi’s men disarm and drag Luan into the room. Mosi then reveals he had another man drag Li back in. Li pleas that Mosi promised him that he could go once he did his part to deal with Tarik, but they fall on deaf ears, Mosi having two of his goons slice him to death.

Holding off on killing Luan, Mosi steals his phone and happily informs him that his wife will be arriving soon, revealing he plans to kill her before him and declares "it’s a shame the children aren’t with her".

However, this pushes Luan far enough that he manages to break free, steal the machete off the man holding him, and kill Mosi’s men. Mosi grabs his own machete to defend himself, but Luan proves faster and guts him on the spot.

Any Freudian Excuse or Redeeming Traits:

Standing out from all the other ruthless gangsters to appear throughout the first season, Mosi is the only one presented as having no loved ones, redeeming traits or sympathetic moments.

He does have a friendly repertoire with his enforcers, but he never shows any sign of actually caring about them. His only reaction when Luan kills them, is to scramble to protect himself.

Now its true Mosi did lose millions and he does at one point give a speech to his men about how Europeans always feel they can cheat and exploit African’s like themselves. However, it’s never elaborated if he’s ever actually being exploited and the scene is presented more akin to him galvanising his men before going on a rampage.

His response of wanting to massacre anyone even tangibly involved, and Luan’s entire family is hopelessly disproportionate. He doesn’t even consider listening to the fact that they were all robbed as well, or give them the chance to try to get the money back. Likewise he seems to care about killing the people he blames over actually retrieving the money, with his only focus being on the fact that he personally was stolen from, rather than him actually losing the money.

He likewise plays nice whilst in Bukuroshe’s presence, but that’s purely to intimidate Luan.

Heinous Standard:

Now as I said the shows standard is incredibly high. Nearly every single character is at least responsible for one death by the end. Likewise massacres aren’t unique to him, Sean slaughters an entire camp of Welsh travellers for shattering the person who shot his father, Asif has his rivals entire organisation slaughtered for stealing from him, and mercenary Leif personally kills most of Sean and Luan’s enforcers in attempt on Sean’s life.

Likewise whilst more sympathetic than Mosi, Luan himself is still a very dangerous gangster. To get the deal with Finn to build his skyscraper he had to allow the murder of an entire large eastern European extended family (including at least one small child). Though granted he at least makes it clear he wasn’t personally involved and didn’t want to do it.

However, whilst several figures do kill more people than Mosi, it’s important to remember all these events were carried out by powerful mob bosses who had literal armies of thugs with guns. Mosi meanwhile only has three enforcers (he presumably has more back home, but he only brings three to London) and his men don’t even carry guns.

He still manages to murder thirteen people (not counting Tarik), all of which in an especially brutal manner.

Likewise (baring Finn and Luan’s massacre of the family) all the other massacres were against rival gangsters or at least people affiliated with him. Mosi meanwhile slaughters the workers at an investment bank who are never suggested to have known they were dealing with criminals.

He is also (excluding Finn) one of only two figures (the other will be my next candidate), in the entire season to actively target children, which is where most of the other mobsters draw a line.

Conclusion:

I could see this one going either way. But I think between his lower resources, the sheer brutality of his crimes, and flairs of cruelty, I could see Mosi making it.

Either way he’s a really good antagonist despite his admittedly quite minor role. Still what do you think?

Edited by MGD107 on Jun 28th 2020 at 3:10:16 AM

I'll read the EP tomorrow, but I looked at the trope page...this was created by Gareth Evans? May be worth watching.

I've found a third Zootopia fanfic candidate.

What the Work

Zootopia A New Adventure is one of those "human gets reincarnated in Zootopia" types of fanfics by determined725, where it focuses on a human named Luke Barrett, who dies on a camping trip and reincarnates as a wolf in Zootopia. It largely maintains the same tone that it does with the original film, except for the candidate in question.

Who is Dr. Meles and What has he Done?

Dr. Meles is a honey badger scientist who believed that Zootopia should separate prey and predator citizens from each other and thus wanted to use an even stronger version of the Night Howlers to turn predators savage, place Zootopia into a state of anarchy, and use said panic to help him gain power and take over Zootopia, presumably by creating a cure to it and pretending to be the hero. To that end, he worked with a bear named Arctos and both traveled to Earth to collect a strain of the Lyssavirus, the genus of the rabies virus and a more extreme version of the Night Howlers. Dr. Meles even modified it to make it even more potent. However, Arctos began to believe that this plan was going too far and thus made an appeal to come up with a less extreme and violent way to achieve their plan of dividing Zootopia. Dr. Meles, no longer needing Arctos for the rest of his plan, betrayed him as a result, infected him with the rabies virus and released him on Earth to live the rest of his days there (Arctos appeared in the beginning of this story when he attacks Luke and kills him, but doesn't bite him, which Dr. Meles regards as a disappointment).

When Luke Barrett arrives to Zootopia, Dr. Meles decides he needs to kill him, due to his interest in medicine and knowledge of rabies, which would jeopardize his plan. To that end, Dr. Meles discreetly tries to run over Luke's girlfriend, Sarah, with a car, recognizing that Luke would jump in the way, which does happen. However, this only manages to injure him and he recovers shortly after. However, everyone in the story is still unaware of Dr. Meles' malicious side and soon, Luke, Nick, and Judy pay him a visit after learning that he knows about Earth. He reveals that the crystal Luke has had throughout the story is his one chance to return back to Earth, while also retelling a fabricated story about Arctos, in which he was the antagonist of his relationship with him and tried to exploit humans.

Although Luke takes some time to think about whether returning to Earth or staying in Zootopia, he goes to Dr. Meles' lab to take him up on his offer to go to Earth after he had a major fight with Sarah. However, it is revealed that the offer was just a trap for him, in which Dr. Meles' polar bear guards subdue him and Dr. Meles tranquilizes him. Upon regaining unconsciousness, Luke talks to Dr. Meles in an extremely venomous tone, which makes him feel disrespected. As a result, Dr. Meles orders his guards to dig their claws into Luke's body, which shuts him up. Then, Dr. Meles reveals all that he's done to Luke, including the aforementioned car incident, which causes Lucas to yell at him in rage. In response to this, Dr. Meles then orders his guards to place hot coals on his body to further torture him and teach him where a "fiery temper" leads him. Once Dr. Meles finishes torturing Luke and kills him, he plans to take his new bio-weapon to Zootopia and unleash it to initiate the next phase of his plan, which would kill hundreds, if not thousands of citizens. Once Nick, Judy, and Sarah discover where Dr. Meles is keeping Luke, where a fight ensues between the trio and Dr. Meles. During the scuffle, Dr. Meles gets infected with the rabies virus and, out of desperation, he makes one last appeal to Luke about returning to Earth, wishing to spite Nick and Judy by taking away who they viewed as a son. Initially, it seems like Luke is going to accept the offer, but he quickly turns on Dr. Meles and throws him through the portal to Earth, stranding him there and leaving him to turn savage like Arctos did.

Does he have any Mitigating Qualities of Freudian Excuse?

Nothing to report here. He's just a power hungry sadist.

Does he meet the Heinousness Standard?

He not only physically tortures Luke in needlessly cruel ways, but he's also a full blown terrorist who wants to spread a virus to Zootopia and kill innocents to secure more power for himself. Easy pass.

Final Verdict

A .

Edited by DrUnknown on Jun 28th 2020 at 3:11:05 AM

The only part of the Divine Comedy writeup that warrants change is this part:

a realm where beings built for eternal Paradise have been corrupted into murderers drowning in the fiery blood of their victims and cannibals biting into the corpses of their children.

If I may, could I suggest that we change it to this?:

a realm of eternal torment where souls are forced to endure tortures such as being transformed into twisted, broken trees, and feasted upon by harpies, and being submerged in a river of boiling tar.

The name though doesn't need to be changed.

Edited by TiMBer1566 on Jun 28th 2020 at 6:25:45 AM

to Dr. Meles. Leaning yes on Mosi, but I'll offer a definite vote later after I think about it some more.

to Meles and Mosi

Meles (where do you keep finding these fanfics?) and mosi

Great Guidance (happy birthday Mimic) and Bouclaire

That does sound more accurate, so if anything we could at least change that.

for Mosi, Abstain for Meles since you could be missing something about him and the fanfic itself doesn't stand out in my opinion.

Edited by Smiley100P on Jun 28th 2020 at 3:28:43 AM

That rewrite works. And fuck it, just change "Satan" to "Lucifer" in the first sentence and we're good.

to Mosi.

On the "missing something about him" complaint, what do you meant by that? Also, the quality of the fanfic doesn't harm the chances of Dr. Meles qualifying; so long as it has a substantial plot and it isn't grimdark, it's fair game.

@nwotyzal With all of these fanfics I keep finding, I just remember all of the fanfics I read years ago, reread them, and then bring them up here.

Edited by DrUnknown on Jun 28th 2020 at 3:35:46 AM

• The Divine Comedy: Dis/Luficer was once "the highest of all creatures", above every angel and man gifted by the Highest Joy with immortality, invincibility, super intelligence, and perfect happiness. However, Dis came to love his superiority to the lower angels and only that superiority, making the supremacy of his Father unbearable. In acting on this pride, he convinced his fellow angels and the first humans to rebel against the Love known as God. With his rebellion, the Devil introduced all the evil, suffering, and death that would ever be into the world while condemning any who followed him to Inferno, a realm of eternal torment where souls are forced to endure tortures such as being transformed into twisted, broken trees; feasted upon by harpies; and being submerged in a river of boiling tar. With his angelic intelligence, Dis knew all of this would happen if he carried out his "arrogant rape", yet brought all of the tortures and crimes described in Inferno into existence without any remorse.

To Mosi

I mean-
Yeah, I wasn't thinking when I said that. Changing my vote to for Meles since fanfiction standing out is objective, two of the candidates I'm thinking of come from fanfiction that doesn't have a TV Tropes page, and I wanna hold him to the same standards I hold them anyway.

Edited by Smiley100P on Jun 28th 2020 at 3:53:05 AM

After thinking about it some more, to Mosi.

Mosi

To Dr. Meles and Mosi

Tbh I didn't find anything wrong with Hegel's request...if the entry is getting facts from the poem wrong, then yes they should be corrected because they're inaccurate. Difference between nitpicking and just trying to fix things that are actually wrong.