During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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Wells
SNIP - Pay attention to who's reserved a page for a possible writeup.
Edited by Willbyr on Oct 18th 2019 at 12:45:03 PM
Lizzid people!
Michael had the film reserved.
Okay, time for the rewrite or removal proposal of Miboshi from Fushigi Yuugi.
The Work?
Fushigi Yuugi is a romance about Miaka and Yui, two students. The read a book and land in a strange world. They meet seven warriors, so they can summon a deity to make a wish. There are the Suzaku (protagonists) and the Seiryuu (antagonists). The character in question belongs to the latter faction.
Who is he?
Miboshi. He started out as a normal being, but became worse after finding the MO, becomming a body-swapper in the process.
What has he done?
He took over a monk lord's body and can summon demons. He summons serpents to do awful things to young women.
During the battle with Suzaku, he took over Chichiri (their youngest member) to avoid his death to hurt the others. Chichiri is full aware of that, but manages to regain control and kills himself and takes Miboshi with him to death.
Heinousness?
Fushigi Yuugi has far worse villains: Nagako ordered Tamahome's family to be killed, destroyed a city and rampaged the real world after making it somehow; The emperor destroyed a city and raped Nakago's mother; And even some minor villains are rapists. Miboshi really doesn't have much ressources, but used his to possess the youngest hero and use him against his friends as well as using snakes against innocent females. Not a strong case here, but he's about as bad as he could be.
Freudian Excuse?
He started out as a normal man, but after a event, he became a body-snatcher, who's willing to possess others as a strategy to survive. He's also shown to be sadistic in the present.
Other Mitigating Factors?
He was a hero in earlier days. But none is seen in the present. So no.
Verdict?
What would you say? A rewrite or cut him?
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
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for Miboshi. It barely sounds like he does anything noteworthy judging by that EP. :/ On top of that, the other villains you mentioned sound worse than him and make him look like small potatoes.
to Miboshi.
No to Miboshi and Dude, please stop dropping in to snatch discussions without consulting the page to see the date or troper for the works. You did the same thing with the Death Wish movie a few times even after you were asked to stop and now you're delving into details someone else took the time to follow the proper procedure to call for discussion. It's a frustrating repeat.
Miboshi
So, seems like he's going to be removed.
Seeing he's listed on FY's YMMV, he would be cut then from both pages.
Edited by Fan727 on Oct 18th 2019 at 7:49:17 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Is the other dude's entry okay? He seems bad enough at least.
- The Emperor of Kutou acts as the commander of Nakago until Nakago opts to overthrow him. We soon learn the reason that the villainous Nakago always hated him. A sleazy Smug Snake who sent his armies on campaigns of extermination and conquest, Nakago saw his people slaughtered and his beloved mother being raped by the Emperor's soldiers before his powers awakened and he accidentally killed her and the soldiers. The Emperor decided to use Nakago as a tool from then on, knowing his potential. Captivated by his beauty, he opted to keep him as a Sex Slave as well despite Nakago being only a little boy.
to Wells
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
The Draftsman of Doom
Showtime!
to Miboshi, and thanks for the well-wishes, guys.
As for the Emperor, I think his entry could be tightened and focused a little bit. Tell me what you guys think. Not gonna post the original, since it's a few above in the one ACW just put:
- Fushigi Yuugi: The Emperor of Kutou is a draconian ruler who leads his armies on campaigns of extermination and conquest, having done so to Nakago's village where Nakago's people were slaughtered and his beloved mother raped by the Emperor's soldiers. Seeing potential in Nakago after his power allowed him to slaughter the Emperor's aforementioned soldiers, the Emperor opted to turn Nakago into his own lethal weapon to cause more bloodshed. Worse still, the Emperor also turned the boy into his own personal Sex Slave after being captivated by his beauty, warping the mind of the child who would become the series Big Bad.
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
I'm fine with cutting Miboshi. Not only the entry is sparse, but the last part of his entry feels like a red flag at least for me.
Anyways, I like the new writeup for the Emperor better!
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
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Please add to the Drafts, and then when I submit the batch I'll just have that entry replace the current tree.
Done & done good buddy.
Edit: Oh yeah and happy birthday Seraph!
Edited by 43110 on Oct 18th 2019 at 11:30:54 AM
I can chase the wind, I can race the rain
Balde, Justine, Xaphon, Natasha, Shapeshifter, Skrumm, Inspector
Edited by AlmightyKingPrawn on Oct 18th 2019 at 11:59:32 AM
She/her. Profile pic is by Richard Michael Gomez @StarmansArt. Please watch Fraggle Rock: Back to the Rock. https://youtu.be/Vm92JNgPbqk
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Wells as a happy birthday gift, and how the hell did Miboshi get on here in the first place?!
Speaking of which, made a few edits to the emperor:
- Fushigi Yuugi: The Emperor of Kutou is the Greater-Scope Villain of the series, and a draconian ruler who leads his armies on campaigns of extermination and conquest, having done so to series Big Bad Nakago's village where Nakago's people were slaughtered and his beloved mother raped by the Emperor's soldiers. Seeing potential in Nakago after his power allowed him to slaughter the Emperor's aforementioned soldiers, the Emperor opted to turn Nakago into his own lethal weapon to cause more bloodshed. Worse still, the Emperor also turned the boy into his own personal Sex Slave after being captivated by his beauty, warping the mind of the child who would become the brutal villain he is in the main series. Caring for nothing but power and pleasure, the Emperor eclipses even Nagako in cruelty.
Edited by MasterN on Oct 18th 2019 at 9:36:35 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
The Joker discussion. I’m currently working on it now, like I said, it may take me til tomorrow for me to finish the draft for the discussion. There is a lot to talk, thank you all for your patience.
Wells and Miboshi. Happy birthday, Libraryseraph.
Goku Black
Wells
Happy Birthday Seraph
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Yay to Wells.
RIP KissAnime.