During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
Yea on Empra...
Oh man, Toku shows are really awesome. Well, there is one of my target for EP and I have one keeper from the genre but not sure about the rest since Toku genre can be rather tricky to find :/
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Showtime!
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to empera
"The Juice is Loose."
Empera
The Lord Of Walruses
to Yamamoto and Empera
Latest pair
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
the Recent Guys
And...I agree Zira Dosent count. But it's more for the fact she's clearly sad when her biological son dies in the lion king 2 . The scar stuff is a Psycho Supporter situation for me.
Things are really about to get Fun around here
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Empera. Seems like an Alan Wilson situation.
The Draftsman of Doom
Yamamoto & Empera.
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
Oh! Btw, just a note that I browsed Hunter: The Vigil YMMV page and found that Harvey Ecks' writeup is truly different compared to the one in World Of Darkness page and here's the bolded part that got added:
"Harvey Ecks, known variously as The Rest Stop Killer, The Torso Maker, and (his preferred sobriquet) The Driver, had a dream when he was still in the womb. In it, he learned that by understanding the Dream Pattern, he would be able to gain total control over all reality. In his quest to achieve this goal, Harvey discovered that by forcing people to watch their limbs being amputated, he could make them reveal pieces of the Pattern. Once a roving killer who left headless torsos at rest stops, Harvey decided that this was too inefficient. Staking out a patch of the interstate highway, Harvey brainwashed diner waitresses, gas station attendants, and state troopers into blindly serving him, then installed video surveillance cameras on billboards. When he sights a likely victim, he forces his servants (who know him only as The Driver) to help him capture that person, whom he then tortures to death in the hopes that they will reveal more of the Pattern. Perhaps the worst part about his plans is that either he may somehow be connected, unknowingly, to the God Machine, or, worst-case-scenario, the Dream Pattern doesn't exist as anything more than a figment conjured up in his demented brain, meaning it's all pointless."
I guess that bolded part can go then
Also yes, I browsed the World of Darkness page because of this pic
◊ that I found ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
. I guess the guy who tries to hit the living head is Harvey but nah.
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Sep 16th 2019 at 5:03:23 PM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Gentle Laborer
New entry for Oma Zi-O, including "The 2068 incarnation" is kinda obselete since "Kamen Rider Oma Zi-O" is already associated with 2068!Sougo. Also, leave his name as "Sougo", it's the way we spell it here. Is it okay with you, Mir?
- Sougo Tokiwa/Kamen Rider Oma Zi-O from the year 2068 is the Demon King of Time of the future who rules over the world in a totalitarian dictatorship. Once an eccentric, lonely but seemingly harmless underachiever who dreamed of becoming a king, Sougo rose to become the most powerful Kamen Rider in history and used his newfound powers to establish a so-called military rule by causing worldwide destruction, killing billions and turning earth into a desolate wasteland for him to control what remained of humanity. In 2068, Sougo's actions force the survivors to live in ghettos, and he personally annihilates the resistance that was formed to combat him, recruiting one of their captains as his own fanatical prophet and sending him back to the past to serve as a mentor to the younger Sougo, motivating him to follow his same path. Revealing that the true extent of his power could destroy time and space, Sougo openly desires to see which timeline his past-self would destroy and how he would go on about it.
Edited by TheMadCr0w on Sep 16th 2019 at 2:38:43 PM
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Yamamoto and Empera
to Count Drago, Ryuichi Yamamoto and Alien Empera.
Goku Black
Fine by me crow.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
The wifi here sucks
Has there been any discussion on the Darkwing Duck Comics at all?
Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
Yes to Drago, Yamamoto and Empera...I've been feeling a bit 'eh,' so hang tight with me...I plan to EP Sandro soon from the same film as Drago.
That said, I watched the Netflix drama Unbelievable and I think we may have a keeper there. Anyone else familiar? We've got 10 days till discussion
I thought sharks were my friends.
Yay to Empera. Hope you feel better, Lighty.
RIP KissAnime.
Goku Black
Get better soon lighty.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Darkwing Goose
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
I said yes to the Darkwing comic info, but no one else has.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I know 32_Footsteps mentioned it WAY back when, but never did an expanded writeup.
EDIT: BTW, Voltron will be locked soon.
Edited by ACW on Sep 16th 2019 at 4:29:01 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
to Yamamoto and Empera. Get well soon Lighty.
Yes to Empera and Drago.
I miss the old days when Lee had no keeps. It was a magical time...
Yes to Empera
He's actually the closest that the showa universe had to a Great Leader type villain who was behind most of the threats faced there.
Also that leaves Yapool as like the only other ultra badguy I can think of who should count but isn't up already.
Edited by miraculous on Sep 16th 2019 at 8:32:42 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."