Rip.

So does the film version of Rip need to be cut for being too similar or are they both distinct enough?

No need at all to cut, Film!Rip is actually a Composite Character between Book!Rip and book character Finn. Film!Rip's rapsheet is that of Finn's in the books as the vile pimp of Julian, but whereas Film!Rip can stand out as "just" a brutal pimp thanks to being the exclusive villain of the film, Finn in the novel...kind of has a harder time matching the heinous standard since Rip is a pedophilic, serial torturing murderer, there.

Edited by Ravok on Aug 16th 2022 at 1:35:34 AM

Yes to Rip. Ellis fucking loves his Karma Houdini monsters, doesn't he?

Aye to Rip.

Any opinions on my rewrite here?

Looks good to me.

Wait hold on I just noticed you need to get rid of the Chained Sinkhole

@ACW: Well, what do you expect from a cynical misanthrope like Ellis?

Here's the other Daredevil script contender.

Who is He?

“This man, Bullseye, is not ‘anti-social’. He is evil. He is a killer for pleasure and for money. He’s the garbage we must remove from mainstream society.”

Bullseye, real name Juan del Toro, is a sadistic hitman who enjoys the pleasure of killing more than getting paid.

What has he done?

Bullseye is hired by Fisk to burn down several buildings full of people in order to drive the prices down and claim the territory as part of his own, with 15 burnings under his belt. Bullseye is introduced killing two bouncers at a club called The Sandworm for not letting him in, then setting fire to the club so that he can kill his target, which risks burning down the nearby apartment and killing everyone inside, including a baby.

Chased by Daredevil, Bullseye calls him a “red turd” and the two fight. Daredevil saves Bullseye’s life, and has him put on trial for starting the fire. Despite everything, Bullseye is found not guilty, and gets to walk free.

Assisting Fisk in the capture and eventual death of his old friend Nikos Natchios, Bullseye is later hired by Fisk to kill rival mayoral candidate Diane Albright during an upcoming debate. Attempting to kill Matt’s friend Foggy when he spots him, Bullseye also shows zero care that his attempt to kill Diane resulted in a mass fire that likely killed plenty of innocents.

Engaged in a final confrontation with Daredevil, Bullseye tries to kick one of his fire grenades toward him like a football, but he’s intercepted by Elektra, who kicks him onto his own bomb just as it explodes, disintegrating him on the spot.

Redeeming Qualities?

Not really. Bullseye has a pet tarantula, who he makes sure Fisk doesn’t accidentally kill. But that’s all he does with the arachnoid; he doesn’t display any love or affection for the bug, and it’s not different from Luke Lerner and how he treats his tarantula.

Aside from that, Bullseye values himself as nothing but an employee of Fisk, refusing to bond with him or anybody else because he’s just that much of an asshole. Hell, he hates Fisk so much, he allows Matt to reveal his villainy to a crowd during a debate just because he wants to see Fisk suffer; not even out of altruism, but because he's a dick.

Heinousness?

Bullseye’s a murder-happy sadist who racks up a good body count. And while he’s mainly following orders from the Kingpin, Bullseye displays a wicked sense of sadism, getting absolute pleasure from all the lives he’s taken.

Conclusion

I think he also keeps.

Edited by therealjackieboy on Aug 16th 2022 at 1:43:28 AM

rip (man a guy who can rival Patrick Bateman in heinousness is quite something) and Bullseye.

Bullseye, the fact that he is sadistic doesn't mean anything if none of his crimes are on his own, other approved versions of Bullseye kill people in their own "free time".

Yes to Rip and Bullseye.

@acw: Bateman actually does die in sorta sequel Lunar Park if your wondering.

Yes to Rip and Bullseye

To get this out of the way:

Dread X Collection 2: The Shop Keeper from The Toy Shop is a member of a group of gigantic aliens, who took over the Earth, brainwashing and killing large portions of humanity and reducing them to "toys". Taking the most active role in torturing humanity, The Shop Keeper kidnaps several people and turns them into its "Toy Soldiers", whom it uses to track down and kill the rebels. Torturing any sentient robot it sees, The Shop Keeper also tends to devour some people, that remain in its sight for too long. Using the protagonist as its latest "Toy Soldier" to slaughter the entire resistance, among whom was a little girl, by implanting a brain implant into him, causing him to see the rebels as infected feral beings, The Shop Keeper was overjoyed to hear that it's "Toy Soldier" has succeded.

I'm fine with Bullseye just being a Psycho for Hire, but him not wanting his animal killed gives me pause.

Also, can my point be addressed, what does Bullseye have outside of villainy from Kingpin, other versions of the character murder hundreds of people on their own. Jackie himself admitted that he is mainly following Kingpin's orders.

Also yeah that is concerning as well.

Can we maybe talk about this more and not just upvote.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Aug 16th 2022 at 1:55:58 AM

We've upvoted plenty of Psycho for Hire villains who "just" follow orders but are total asshat sadists about it, that's literally nothing new that we should be concerned about. What canon Bullseye does or doesn't do on his "free time" has no bearing on a film script, either. He burns down over a dozen buildings and kills countless people for lulz, that's enough. The tarantula bit doesn't sound like anything notable either, so I'm fine with saying Yes to Bullseye.

Rip and Bullseye.

Okay wait is that really the policy, because I had always been under the impression the minion type villains need to do something outside of their boss or else they would fail the standard to them.

Oh, yeah forgot to mention. Bullseye's not only the worst killer in the script, displaying a sick sense of glee every time he needlessly kills someone (like the bouncers, and the people in The Sandworm), but his base contains a portrait of Hitler for no reason other than to highlight how bad he is.

Edited by therealjackieboy on Aug 16th 2022 at 2:31:36 AM

Someone like Juno Skinner being a basic Dragon following their bosses' orders with little personal action is one thing. Someone like Burke carrying out his boss's plan that entails murdering thousands while Burke literally hops, skips and jumps through piles of corpses he's left behind and gleefully mocks Jonah over the deaths of his family is something else entirely. Both are "Just Following Orders", but one is an active, near The Heavy sadist while the other is a generic Dragon. Bullseye sounds like the latter to me.

Yeah, what said.

Though I still stand by my concerns about the tarantula.

Script!Frisk.

Shop Keeper.

MOM.

Rip.

Billy Joe.

Having a portrait of Hitler doesn't make someone more heinous it just makes them more of a terrible person.

to Bullsye and Rip

We have plenty of dude's like that, even if they were ordered they are still the one doing the killing and take joy in doing it.

On the subject of American Psycho, anyone keep in that novel Lunar Park? I was wondering when looking at the page

What is the work?

"City of Passion" is a three part special in Hunter's 4th season, consisting of the 6th, 7th and 8th episodes.

Hunter & McCall respectively investigate ritual murders and a series of rapes.

Let's start with the serial rapist.

Who is "Bigfoot" and what has he done?

In reality a Real-Estate Broker named Lloyd Fredericks, "Bigfoot" (named for his shoe size) uses realtor keys to invade professional women's houses and rape them. (ETA: He has done this to 9 women successfully).

Bigfoot ends up accidentally murdering his ninth target, and proceeds to stalk and harass Det. Sgt. Dee Dee McCall with the intent of making her his next target.

Eventually, Bigfoot invades McCall's home, and she fights him off before he can assault her.

Bigfoot later walks into a trap that McCall set knowing he would try to attack her again.

Bigfoot feebly maintains his innocence to Det. Sgt. Rick Hunter, but ends up shot by his own wife when the latter discovers his atrocities.

Mitigating Factors?

Bigfoot's interactions with his wife are faux-affably evil at best, and end up being abusive at points.

We see him attack one victim, attempt and fail to attack another. (ETA: Another survivor confronts McCall). Offscreen villainy is not an issue.

Heinousness?

Even though he is only a realtor, Bigfoot blows Raul Mariano, with his 3 sexual assaults and 2 murders, out of the water, even taking the latter's diplomatic immunity into account. ESPECIALLY taking the latter's diplomatic immunity into account.

There is a serial rapist and murderer who targeted 7 women in Vietnam, but his actions are offscreen, and his copycat rapes his victims after death as opposed to before.

As for within the episode, Judge Unger does not have a specific body count, but is suggested by the narrative to perform sex rituals and human sacrifice regularly.

Verdict?

Potential contender.

Expect one more EP from the same special later tonight, BTW.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Aug 16th 2022 at 6:19:08 AM