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Yes to Aker and Nyarlathotep

Aker.

Nyarlathotep.

Aker and Nyarly. (I cannot believe someone thought that movie was a good idea but that's neither here nor there.)

Nyarly

So about The Prince and the Pauper (talking only about the 25 minute cartoon, not the novel or any other adaptation): the Captain would not qualify in a darker setting, but this is a cartoon aimed at children and he is on the dark end of Disney villains. We see his soldiers terrorise and ransack the populace, and him feasting on their spoils; he takes advantage of the switch with no hesitation by imprisoning the prince and telling Mickey to be his puppet by threatening Pluto. His soldiers have no love for him and are clearly in it for their own share. In contrast to Pete's usual portrayal as petty and blundering, here he is cunning, ruthless and determined to get his way. In context, I feel he passes the heinous criterion.

The one factor that could disqualify him is that he is the subject of slapstick and ridicule, but only at the end and by the action of others on him. His own actions are treated with fear and disgust, in contrast to the slapstick in the rest of the film.

Do we see the subjects harm or killed by any chance, any damage done or anything truly horrific? It's been years since I've seen that short film but I don't recall he done anything truly heinous enough to pass the baseline. I might have to give it a rewatch myself.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Apr 15th 2021 at 6:48:19 AM

Don't think so, it's pretty standard villain fare, even for Pete; it's just him being a bully to the population and then trying to steal the throne. The worst Pete ever gets is The Three Musketeers where he almost succeeds in killing Micky, Donald, Goofy, Minnie, and Daisy and has a moat full of the skeletons of past victims, and even that version has his comedic moments.

Edit:fixed a typo

Also Nyarly

Edited by SumDumNerd on Apr 15th 2021 at 5:09:35 AM

Yeah, even if he is vile for a Mickey Mouse cartoon, it's still a Mickey Mouse cartoon, so when compared to other characters on this trope, even other Disney characters, he doesn't stand out.

So all Pete's done is attempted murder? The comics had him do that regularly. I think you've underestimated the same studio that created The Horned King, dude.

I'm just saying that the guy thought that, since Mickey Mouse was "kiddie fare", Pete would be easy. Don't underestimate the mouse is what im saying.

Edited by DoodSlayer136 on Apr 15th 2021 at 4:35:04 AM

Well, those are all different continuities and stories, we were just saying that what Powermaster described didn't pass baseline.

Anyway, here's my writeup for Nyarlathotep

• Howard Lovecraft and the Frozen Kingdom: Nyarlathotep, wicked as always, is the eldritch servant of Azathoth seeking to destroy Earth and other worlds for the Outer Gods. Nyarlathotep works alongside Abdul Alhazred in order to use the Necronomicon to resurrect Cthulhu, now named Thu Thu Hmong/Spot, manipulating the young H.P. Lovecraft into getting the book for them only to betray the boy and tries to use the book to bring back Cthulhu. In the second film, Nyarlathotep helps Abdul in holding Lovecraft's parent hostage under the threat of death if he doesn't give them the Necronomicon, later burns Alhazred to death after growing tired of his failure. In The Kingdom of Madness, he makes a deal with a future Lovecraft from the future to retrieve Spot to him. Once that succeeded and revives Cthulhu, he has Cthulhu destroy a planet populated by Deep Ones to demonstrate his powers, planning to destroy the entire Earth next for the Outer Gods.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Apr 15th 2021 at 8:29:44 AM

Aker and Nyarly.

"future adult Lovecraft from the future" is redundant tho.

• Hindu Mythology: Putana, the "Killer of Infants", is a Rakshasi (Demon) known for killing infants by poisoning her breast milk and killing them when they feed, having done this to countless infants in the past. When King Kamsa summons her to kill the infant Krishna, Putana disguises herself as a beautiful woman in an attempt to kill him. After Krishna sucks her life force out, she reveals her demonic form and attempts to destroy the town of Vraj, managing to turn the surrounding forest to dust before being slain.

Edited by nwotyzal on Apr 15th 2021 at 5:22:05 AM

"future adult Lovecraft from the future" Where the whole "from the future" part came from? I only see "Future Adult Lovecraft"

to Aker and Nyarlathotep.

Scimina, Aker, Nyarlathothep.

Yes to Acker, Nyarly

• Operation Delta Force 5: Random Fire: Jafari Bin Kasim is the leader of a terrorist organization who had developed Mind Control technology, which he uses on captured Delta Force operatives, brainwashing them into becoming suicide bombers forcing them to commit terrorist attacks on his behalf. Introduced sending a brainwashed Delta Force member to suicide-bomb a train carrying a diplomat and his family, killing everyone aboard, Jafari had his men capture a village, and subsequently blow it up when Delta Force members tries to resolve the hostage situation, before abducting several members, one which he sends to commit another suicide bombing on the Boston Financial Center killing everyone inside. When Captain Skip and his team managed to infiltrate his hideout, Jafari reveals he already had Skip brainwashed and forces Skip to blow up himself with most of his team, and later captures Delta Force Operative Robert Johnson, and puts him through Mind Rape while forcing protagonist Brad Kennedy to watch.

Edited by RobertTYL on Apr 15th 2021 at 9:18:51 PM

to the Tall Man, the Dobrivoje Poplović rewrite, Emil Narud, Jafari Bin Kasim, Prince Krotan, the King Ghidorah rewrite, Putana, Scimina Arameri, Aker, and Nyarlathotep. I also approve of a Flash Gordon page.

to the Rip Blazkowicz image (Doesn't seem heinous enough to me) and Peter Dreyfuss. I'm leaning on a no on the Zygon image too, I'm afraid, as it doesn't look heinous enough to me either.

@SkyCat32: Good luck on that job interview.

to Aker and Nyarly

Alright, so I’ve just finished playing this video game called Moss and I may have a candidate to discuss, but of course lets discuss the game

What’s The Work?

Moss is an Action-Adventure game developed by Polyarc Games and built for the PS4 VR, Oculus Rift and Oculus Quest. The basic premise is that you, the reader, find a book that transports them to a fantasy land inside the book called Moss. The Reader would then meet a young mouse named Quill and begin an adventure to save Quill’s uncle from the Big Bad, Sarffog.

Who Is He? What Has He Done?

Sarffog is a gigantic fire-breathing snake responsible for the destruction and ruination of the kingdom Quill use to live in. First Sarffog would kill the king of Quill’s kingdom by having an owl pluck him out of his castle and drop him falling to his death. With the kingdom weakened with the loss of their king Sarffog would then lead the Arcane army to invade the Kingdom destroying the kingdom killing countless hundreds there.

Sarffog would then send his army to pursue the survivors of his rampage who fled into the wood with a powerful object called The Glass, where Sarffog’s army kills even more people until their champion and Quill’s uncle Arguss fends off the army saving the rest of the survivors and protect the glass while the Sarffog’s army kills the champion.

Years later The Reader would choose Quill as the newest champion and the protector of the Glass. When Argus learns of this he tries going back to the kingdom to kill Sarffog before he sends his army to kill Quill only to be capture by Sarffog and imprisoned in his castle.

Sarffog would then send Aderyn to bring Quill to him where Aderyn would convince Quill to find Argus and free Argus from Sarffog’s imprisonment. They would finally arrive at the ruined kingdom where they find themselves under Sarffog’s mercy. Aderyn apologizes to Quill for luring her to Sarffog before Sarffog kills Aderyn in front and Quill and attempts to kill Quill and retrieve the Glass from her.

After spending a large amount of time escaping Sarffog’s rampage Quill, with the help of The Reader, was able to kill Sarffog and free Argus from his imprisonment. Argus would then tell Quill that the Arcane will still pursue her to retrieve the Glass, where Quill decides to go after the Arcane and stop them once and for all.

Freudian Excuse? Redeeming Qualities? Other Militating Factors?

All that was known about Sarffog is that he was given an Arcane army to help him conquer and destroy Quill’s kingdom. That is it and its never shown that Sarffog is ever loyal to his master merely using their resources to destroy kingdoms, kill whomever rebels against him, and retrieve the Glass to make himself more powerful. So yeah no sympathetic excuse nor redeeming qualities to justify all the atrocities he commits

He also manages to avoid being a Generic Doomsday Villain by coming up with various plans such as killing the king to put his kingdom into turmoil before launching his invasion and having Aderyn lure Quill to him before he kills him once Aderyn serves his purpose before trying to kill Quill and yelling “Glass” to her showing that Sarffog isn’t a mindless animal, but instead a sentient, yet unfettered and power-hungry monster willing to kill anyone and destroy anything to get what he wants.

Heinousness

Being the Big Bad, Sarffog sets the heinous standard in this game having the king murder, invades and destroy an entire kingdom killing possibly hundreds, if not more, with countless skeletons of Sarffog’s victims seen throughout the ruin kingdom, even has his army pursue the survivor killing their champion and more lives, kidnaps Quill’s uncle and would have killed him once he served his purpose, kills Quill’s friend right in front of her before trying to kill Quill who also happens to be a child.

There was also the owl who killed the king on Sarffog’s orders and Sarffog’s masters that sent him to invade the kingdom in the first place but they dont really make any onscreen appearances in the game’s narrative leaving Sarffog the main bad guy causing all of the misery and deaths within the story, so yeah I’d say that Sarffog does more than enough to stand out, especially since the game is rated E10+.

Final Verdict?

I’ll leave it up to you guys to decide.

Edited by G-Editor on Apr 15th 2021 at 11:43:36 AM

Changing to an abstain to Sarffog

I think I've found an image of Prince Ming murdering his mentor◊ from the Dynamite comics (which I think is one of the versions that got approved for this trope) which I think could be used for the Flash Gordon page. Any thoughts? A trimmed version might come later if the image needs to be shortened.

It's the Zeitgeist Ming from what I can gather, which is the one that got approved on this thread a while ago.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Apr 15th 2021 at 12:11:55 PM

How many lines does Sarffog actually have in the game?

@Nwot Could Kamsa himself possibly count if this is the story I think it is he tries multiple times to kill the babies in his kingdom.

If Ming has been approved from that comic then that image will work as long as it is cropped to the top panel.

Sarffog has been given one line that the narrator narrates (as she does with the all the other characters) where Sarffog says the word "Glass!" but its clear with his behavior that he has personality and by saying the word "glass" shows us that Sarffog can talk, wants the Glass, has plotted the events to get Glass, was smart enough to kidnap Argus to lure Quill to him rather than just mindlessly kill him took sadistic joy in having Quill's friend betray her before killing her in front of Quill and is more than willing to kill Quill for glass.

Edited by G-Editor on Apr 15th 2021 at 12:11:10 PM

Finally got a trimmed version◊ of the image thanks to Ordeaux.

I'm gonna abstain on Sarffog for now but I'm leaning no.

the image