During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Btw, nearly missed his discussion, but ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Killgrave.
to Zebediah Killgrave/"the Purple Man", his quote, and the Empress Sedessa rewrite.
![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
to the Queen Bee.
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to Purple Guy, and his quote.
to Queen Bee.
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Purple Man. And the quote.
Harold Saxon Master was cut at one point?? You can also add D'Arby the Younger to that list. I THINK Scar too (was he up before he was cut, or was he only put up after that discussion?).
Edited by ACW on Mar 7th 2021 at 4:43:08 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Voice, Loli, Duke, Killgrave.
Happy yes to Killgrave.
to Killgrave. to the Queen Bee.
"34 people died so he could eat his eggs in peace."
Lol, what? Yes to Killgrave.
Killgrave. Hopefully, they'll never pull an Ass Pull redemption on him again.
Queen. Jesus, Jay, even I can't sit through those abominable kids' movies. And I've done multiple EP's from The Asylum! I'm both impressed and terrified.
Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on Mar 7th 2021 at 4:11:33 AM
No to the Queen Bee.
Adding on to the "former former CMs", OVA!Amon was also cut at one point.
Edited by falcontalons on Mar 7th 2021 at 5:15:34 AM
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![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Right, I think it was for being too generic or something among demons. Speaking of that franchise, Grimoire!Jinmen was included with original Jinmen at first, if you wanna include him.
There's also, kind of, Bulgarin. Before effortposts I think (way back in 2012), the Diktatorat (which includes Bulgarin) and Kazan were added as a group, then it was rewritten to just be Kazan, then I got Bulgarin last year.
Edited by ACW on Mar 7th 2021 at 7:59:58 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Here are the Voice's write-up and Daun's rewrite:
original Daun write-up:
- StarCraft II: Devils' Due, by Christie Golden: Ezekiel Daun, while a relatively minor character, is utterly monstrous. Daun is a Bounty Hunter and mercenary who, unless his clients specify otherwise, will torture his victims to draw out their death, and makes it theatrical by terrifying them and using psychological warfare before he moves in for the kill. He also records all his deaths as holograms, both to watch in his spare time for the memories and to show his future victims to terrify them even more.
new Daun write-up:
- StarCraft II: Devils' Due, by Christie Golden: Ezekiel Daun, while a relatively minor character, is utterly monstrous. Daun is a Bounty Hunter and mercenary who, unless his clients specify otherwise, will torture his victims to draw out their death, and makes it theatrical by terrifying them and using psychological warfare before he moves in for the kill. At one point he flays alive a woman even though there is no bounty on her, forcing her husband to watch the entire time before moving on to him. In another instance Daun removes a victim's fingers one by one. He also records all of his deaths as holograms, both to watch in his spare time for the memories and to show his future victims to terrify them even more.
and the Voice's write-up:
- StarCraft: Frontline: Voice in the Darkness, by Josh Elder: "The Voice in the Darkness" is one of the many names given to an ancient evil entity responsible for the annihilation of countless civilizations throughout the universe. After being defeated by the Xel'Naga, it was imprisoned on a barren planet. When a group of researchers releases it, the Voice immediately shows its gratitude by slaughtering half of them and converting the other half into loyal minions. The conversion is a process, where the Voice brainwashes its victims, leaving them conscious to an extend, and feeds on them by slowly draining their prionic energy over a long period of time until they eventually die with the Voice having inflicted this fate on many creatures. After a group of Protoss arrives, the Voice tries to convert them as well, successfully brainwashing Xy'tal and forcing him to try to kill Azimar. When Xy'tal resists its control, the Voice punishes him by engulfing his body in flames after which it attempts to massacre the entire band of Protoss. It is also strongly suggested that the Voice plans to resume its genocidal activities upon release until all beings have either been converted or dead.
Edited by WatTambor on Mar 7th 2021 at 5:08:31 AM
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I guess for the comics it goes:
- StarCraft:
- Frontline:
- Dr. Stanley Burgess
- Voice
- Scavengers & Survivors: "The Prisoner"
- Frontline:
I agree with that.
Goku Black
Queen
to Lou and Wiilam Af- I mean Zebediah Killgrave.
Edited by DrScavenge27 on Mar 7th 2021 at 6:57:06 AM
for 'Lollipop' Lou, the Arch-Duke and Killgrave.
for Queen Bee.
Did Jschlatt ever got a effort post? And if so, can I see it?
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I can't find it, but I remember there was an effortpost.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Someone a while ago posted this image of Luca Blight, are there any votes, and does anyone know how to shrink it?
The Draftsman of Doom
Save the image as a .jpg or .png, and upload it to the site.
It seems like an image which works.
Feels good, don't it?
The Moron
Having looked at the image, it looks like it could work if it's possible to shrink it.
Not sure about an EP but just looking at the writeup I'm questioning a few things:
- Jschlatt is an opportunistic tyrant who ruled as the second president of L'Manberg. Upon pooling his votes with Quackity to spin the L'Manberg election in his favor, his first action was to exile his political opponents, Wilbur Soot and Tommyinnit. Afterwards, he aggressively expanded the country, not caring for the citizens under him or the board he commands. After finding out that his secretary of state, a sixteen-year-old named Tubbo, was working in a plot against him, he had him set up a festival where his public execution by the hands of an unwilling and pressured Technoblade became the main attraction, killing a child to scare his citizens straight before becoming more aggressive to his peers in the following weeks, alienating everyone around him. Even after being overthrown and encountered as a pathetic, drunken mess, he went out of the world treating everyone around him with spite using his words and the swings of a broken bottle. Cruel and uncaring, Schlatt's actions make him a man who was hated by all and whose death was celebrated by the SMP.
A lot of this is very generic, he's got:
- Fixing an election to win;
- Exiling to people;
- "Expanding" his country... whatever depth that is played for;
- Playing up that this execution of a sixteen-year-old is something he's doing in response to the fact the guy was plotting against him;
- Saying that the execution "scared" people and alienated them, which really doesn't belong in a CM entry;
- Getting really drunk to the point—according to his tropes page—he dies while asking if anyone else can smell burnt toast before the heroes can fight him.
So, for noteworthy crimes we've got: a very brief touch on being an expansionist, killing someone who was plotting against him and "scaring" his population.
Are we... sure this belongs?
If he does this is in desperate need of a rewrite, as it's trying to be long while just flourishing on very jerk-level crimes.
Edited by 43110 on Mar 7th 2021 at 11:47:06 AM
Hey, it's no big. I was bored anyway.![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]")
If she don't count she don't count.
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