This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
The Forum Rules
apply here.
Don'ts
- Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
- Don't try to negotiate your suspension outside of this thread, such as by sending Private Messages to moderators or posting elsewhere. Such activity may be thumped or otherwise removed, and may warrant an additional suspension block if it keeps happening. All communications have to take place within this thread.
- Don't respond to other suspended users. This is a place for you to discuss your suspension, not others'.
- Don't post multiple times about your appeal if it hasn't been a few days since your last reply from us, since it makes it more difficult to compose responses. If you've posted, we're likely looking at it, and kindly request you to be more patient.
- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
Not the Eye
I understand, I jumped a gun and biten more than I can chew. I promise to make sure to crosswick and index all my future pages and use Get Help With English thread regularly until I get good grasp on spelling and grammar.
I also just figured out Sandbox/namespace function. Thanks for informing me.
Edited by EmperorGeode on Oct 4th 2022 at 12:40:18 PM
Hisuian Lilligant
~crazysamaritan I was originally suspended from Forum Games a few days ago for posting every few posts or so and not letting the participation build naturally. I made a post responding to the one that explained why I was originally suspended, indicating that I now understand that I cannot post every few posts or so. I just want to reiterate that I understand that I should not post like clockwork, but instead I should let others have a chance. I'm sorry for causing trouble with my antics before my suspension.
Edited by clemont107 on Oct 4th 2022 at 5:41:15 AM
"Why do Hisuian Lilligant become extinct in the future? That kind of scares me..." - Hisuian Lilligant
But that is literally not what I said there:
Yes, I did also say I understand your position regarding fearmongering, and if I had understood that my opinion on nuclear weapons - period - was being considered that I would have agree to stop talking about it entirely. I'm still entirely willing to do so. But that was not what I understood myself to have been banned for and it was not what I said when asking to be unsuspended. I haven't tried to "control my fear mongering of nuclear risks", because I did not consider it fearmongering. I still don't but as I don't run the site I am entirely capable of going with the mods' stance over mine.
I am not primarily here for OTC and can live with a permanent suspension, but I find the idea of getting one over a misunderstanding to be extremely concerning regarding anything I do on here in the future. Septimus at least acknowledged there had been a misunderstanding, too.
Edited by nrjxll on Oct 4th 2022 at 4:53:59 AM
(she/her)
~Tropers/clemont107 Apologies, I think we missed you. I'll release your suspension.
Macron's notes
I tried to contact them and they just made a blank edit to reply instead of actually replying to my message. Maybe I shouldn't have responded by reverting it after their failure to properly respond, but I didn't know that counted as an edit war. Also, I don't get how I didn't comply with anything. What I added was part of the pre-release material.
Edited by Troublethecat on Oct 4th 2022 at 4:32:06 AM
The Pan’s Labyrinth one tries to show that Captain Vidal is evil, but gives no explanation on what he actually does to the protagonist. The Mystery Team example doesn’t even give a name, let alone what the stepfather does that is considered ‘wicked.’ Is he wicked as in early bedtime and no desserts or as in beats the kids for looking at him funny? Back To The Future 2 doesn’t explain how Biff became Marty’s stepfather or anything beyond the attempted murder. How did I do?
Edited by SailorPunkRock on Oct 4th 2022 at 4:36:53 AM
Im am willin to discuss editing queries. Where do I do that? And how as I now have 6 messages but still cant view them.
Look, in my previous reply I already made it clear that I'd be more mindful of including edit reasons for major edits going forward. And since the whole point of including an edit reason is to explain why the edit was made, I explained the reasoning for my edit as I was asked to do.
If you want to know the exact way I'd have worded the edit reason, I may have been more curt, maybe limiting myself to just one sentence like "Doesn't qualify as a Kick The Dog example", and only elaborated on it if I was asked. I hope that addresses your concerns.
Graar!
Is there anything else required from me aside from being mindful about preventing zero-context examples and making sure to never plagiarize again? I think I have a strong understanding of what needs to be done from now on.
Edited by Monolaf317 on Oct 4th 2022 at 9:10:01 AM
I have things to do and daddy issues to repress!
crazysamaratin
I apologize for improper indentation, I haven't quite tried it yet, so I don't know how to do it. But yes, I should separate them into two bullets so there's no confusion.
Real Wild Child
@crazysamaritan: Oh, now I got it. I was used to how it used to be, so I didn't keep that in mind. So it's not that I added a bullet point, but that I did so without turning the first sentence into a bullet point, like so:
- Adapted Out:
- Streaky the Super-Cat, Supergirl's pet and one of the most prominent pets in DC Comics other than Krypto and Ace, is nowhere to be seen in this movie.
- As is Jumpa, Wonder Woman's kangaroo companion in the comics, whose role is taken by newcomer PB.
That it? It clears things up, I think.
Anyway, can I have my editing privileges reinstated? It feels pretty awkward having to correct myself over and over in here instead of just fixing the entry on the work page itself.
Edited by AndyLA on Oct 4th 2022 at 12:58:35 PM
One Nation Under WiFi
The Scrappy and Butt-Monkey of the Pantheon Thread
Umm... I found myself suspended after some slight edits on the Baten Kaitos page. Was this because I didn't add reasonings again? It's probably from adding a trope entry, and then adding to it later instead of doing it all at once, is it?
Edited by nightelf37 on Oct 5th 2022 at 1:09:09 AM
TV Tropes Pantheon Group Members Database
Why am I suspended? I did not start an edit war.
How sweet it is
~7353, what you were doing is nagging others over examples you added that they removed. This shows that you have an issue with attachment to your edits. It's natural for an edit to be undone; that's how wikis work.
As it stands, you are now permanently banned from editing.
Edited by Berrenta on Oct 5th 2022 at 9:42:37 AM
she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope Report
I wasn't nagging, I had a serious complaint. And as far as I know messaging somebody to clear a situation is not against the rules.
Fine, I will stop it. Can I please edit again?
Edited by 7353 on Oct 5th 2022 at 9:03:58 AM
Yes,I'm sorry for critizing characters and a work. I was not happy about a show ending with it's problems unresolved.
It was Star Vs. The Forces of Evil. Even if the finale was rushed and brought a sour end to the series,it could've been better.
I know you thumped me for going overboard with criticism. I will not do that ever again and be gentle and steady with my thoughts against Star Vs.
(she/her)
~Monolaf 317 Sorry, it appears we missed your appeal.
I know you said that you have a better understanding of ZCE's now but are you able to identify examples with partial context (as oppessed to examples with no context) in the wild on your own?
~Tropers/nightelf37 You were suspended for edit warring on Characters.Tee Queue by adding back Famous Last Words and a WIP notice back to the page after they were removed by another troper. This is now the third time you undid wick cleanup by not paying attention to the edit history.
Previously, you said here that it won't happen again and when you were suspended earlier in the year, you said that you will try to be more diligent in the future...but yet we are again for the same issue.
If you aren't going to pay attention to edit histories and the status of certain tropes you add to wiki pages, I am afraid we can't trust you to be a responsible editor.
~M Ccrae Please don't multipost like that again. If you want to add additional details, you can edit your post by clicking the drop down menu on the right hand corner of your post.
It's correct that you were suspended from the forums for constantly complaining on the Star vs. Evil thread. However, it wouldn't have escalated to that point if you stopped after receiving thumps and a mod post. It also seemed as if you were only on the site to complain about the show.
Since this is your first offense and you seem to understand where you went wrong, we are willing to give you another chance. But if this happens again, it's very unlikely that you'll be given a third chance to post on the forums. Is that clear?
Macron's notes
Yes,sir. I learned my lesson.
Graar!
Oh, I think I'll be able to identify partial-context examples no problem; I think that I'll be able to easily tell that at least something seems to be missing while reading it.
I have things to do and daddy issues to repress!
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
~Metal King — Thank you for participating in the EB thread, your suspensions are released and we hope that you'll avoid edit wars and collecting notifiers in the future.
~Emperor Geode — Alright, we're releasing your suspensions and expecting you to post in the GHWE thread
before adding examples to the wiki. We would rather not have to enforce that by re-suspending you from the wiki.
~eliaskelham — Yes, that satisfies us.
Your suspensions are released.
~The Arkhom Destroyer — The issue brought up on ATT is that the example doesn't seem to apply. Yes, Anti-Climax Boss is a YMMV-trope, but that doesn't mean that everyone's opinion gets represented there. Do you have a source for the idea that a majority of the fanbase shares that opinion?
Assuming you do, we also need to address the fact that it wasn't present in the rewritten example, so we decided that it falls under the classification of an Edit War since you added it, it was removed (with an edit reason), and you re-added it. You tried to address the concerns, but incompletely. This is why communicating to other editors is important.
Points that we have been making since March. Remember the "wildly implausible scenarios" that Septimus objected to in PM. As I told you the first time you were suspended, we have been trying to communicate the problem to you for most of this year. That you could accurately summarize our position on what is wrong and went right back to creating problems means that this is not a miscommunication, but a misalignment of values. We do not value fear and your actions are treating fear as valuable. So long as we believe that you value spreading fear, we will not allow you in OTC. We care more about the objectives of your posts than we do about the details.
Sure, you could call it a "misunderstanding", but that glosses over exactly how long we tolerated your misbehaviour due to being in our good graces to begin with. You clearly believe you are right, and in that belief you are unwilling to cede any ground on your position.
~Troublethecat — Again, we are not (yet) addressing your failure to comply with the unreleased work article policies. You are obliquely mentioning that you sent a PM to the other editor to discuss why they removed your edit. That is one of the proper ways to handle an Edit War situation. Please read the policy page and identify two additional ways to resolve the problem of contested editing that do not involve re-editing the page.
~Sailor Punk Rock — Reasonably well, although a character doesn't have to be wicked to the protagonist to be a wicked step-parent. Alright, let's go back to a work that you're familiar with (Fanfic.The New Retcons this time) and review some problems:
- Abusive Parents: Towards the end, Elly admits that she was one, especially to April. But she plans to reconcile and start over. she dies before she can really do so, but does make peace with Claire.
- Gavin towards Anthony, even in adulthood.
- Accidental Murder: Connie claims Elly's death was this, as a result of Elly tripping. She lied.
- Elizabeth and Clarice theorized that Hanneke's murder by Gavin was this. He was more the type to wait until she cheated so he could stiff her on alimony and child support, not murder
- Bittersweet Ending: Michael and Deanna eventually find happiness. It's just not with each other.
- Elizabeth and Anthony decide to stay together and start over, but it’s heavily implied that they’re mostly doing it for the sake of the kids. This leans heavily into the bitter end of the trope when you realize this makes them a younger version of Elly and John.
- The story in general: After Elly’s funeral and the fight, the Pattersons break up and rarely speak to each other. Connie spends a few years in prison, but doesn’t really learn anything from the experience, being a Poisonous Friend to Kortney while Lawrence disowns her. However, Kortney is manipulating her and all of Milborough while buying the town out and absorbing it into Greater Scarborough. But Michael, Elizabeth and April do rebuild their lives and slowly become better people for it.
- Broken Pedestal: Anthony comes to realize that John's not an ideal father figure after all.
- April’s admiration of Jim sours after learning about Claire and what Jim and Marian did when Elizabeth got pregnant.
- Brutal Honesty: One of Anthony's bad points, such as when he told Frank Day and Francoise and James that Elly was dead.
- Bungled Suicide: Michael.
~Aramis Hamilton — Your most recent six (seven, now) messages are all from moderators. The PM system is off because you tried to use it as a way to request edits while suspended. Until your editing ban is removed, the messages are not important. The Query permissions are for Ask The Tropers, Trope Finder, You Know That Show, and others. We expect you to understand what Edit War says about resolving editing conflicts.
~Andy LA — Example Indentation in Trope Lists has been the standard for over a decade. The article history doesn't go back as far as your account history, but the wayback machine nearly does. There's no "how it used to be" to excuse this. How about correcting the following from Fashion-Victim Villain without needing multiple tries?
- Who could forget Brainiac's attire from the various Super Friends series: A pink-purple polo shirt with white collar, and just a pair of black briefs? What were they thinking? This was hilariously lampshaded in a classic Cartoon Network ad bumper:
"Look, I just want some pants. A decent pair of PANTS!"
- Toyman also looked pretty ridiculous, with a three-pronged mask and a suit with pointy shoulders curving up.
Some schmuck with too much time on his hands
Alright, so I just gotta remove the Anti-Climax Boss trope from the YMMV page for Corruption and I’m all set? I’ll be sure to ask people more often for more recent stuff that falls into YMMV (though I have seen a few people in the FNF subreddit saying Yandere Attack was kinda meh, but, well, it’s only a few people, some of which some were also downvoted).
Edited by TheArkhomDestroyer on Oct 5th 2022 at 11:52:53 AM
I don't even like FNF that much, why are most of my contributions to so many fan mods of the funny beep boop game?
So I go to Ask The Tropers? About whether my edit should stay, so I'll send a question there then.
Hello, everyone! Apologies for the long weekend. Here's a batch of replies for the most recent appeals.
~nrjxll — Yeah, we had been under the impression that you already understood our position
. You have proven unable to control your fear mongering of nuclear risks, so we must do so. Your OTC suspension is indefinite. We may consider revising that opinion "when the war is over", but you can otherwise view it as a permanent suspension.
~Atntoniy — We told you that it wasn't timed
. Given that you have persisted in asking if the suspension has "expired" rather than working to demonstrate that you won't be obsessing, your editing suspension has been promoted to Permanent.
~Aramis Hamilton — Normally, the steps are:
You are trying to skip step 3. But it seems you've read Edit War and can see why putting a Trivia example in the work page main example list is incorrect.
Let's try something else here. Your Query privileges are restored. Can you demonstrate your ability to calmly discuss an editing conflict with other users?
~Andy LA — You've somehow missed the instruction on Example Indentation. You incorrectly put the following on the wiki:
~Troublethecat — You added
the example, it was modified
, then you reverted
it. Standard example of an Edit War. What should you have done instead of reverting it? Keep in mind that we are not (yet) discussing your failure to comply with Creating a Work Page for an Upcoming Work policies.
~Crep 105 — Minor problem; because the example is about two characters, there should be two separate bullets, such as:
~Sailor Punk Rock — We seem to be having a little trouble conveying what is missing from the context, and it might be because you're too familiar with the works that we're using as an example. So a slightly different approach; here are three examples from Wicked Stepmother that don't have enough context. Please respond by explaining what necessary details each example fails to convey.
~Emperor Geode — Welcome to TV Tropes! We're sorry about needing to issue a suspension so early, but your initial edits show a shocking lack of English spelling/grammar. We're glad that someone is finally making an article for Star Wars Eye Of The Storm, but between the grammar/templating problems and your lack of indexing and crosswicking, we had to ask you to slow down.
Have you seen our Get Help With English
thread or heard of our Sandbox/ namespace?
~Sung-Hwan — given the swathes of inactive threads mean the site at large isn't suffering from notable problems.
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I'm glad to hear that we are effective enough at our job as "janitors" that the average editor doesn't see any major issues with the wiki. The inactivity of threads is a small portion of the larger logistics issue that we need more editors looking for and fixing problems. That's why we have to suspend editors who consistently create problems. We essentially have more problems being created than we do being fixed. Fixing pages to match How to Write an Example is more than a full-time job and has a dozen threads taking care of specialized details, to say nothing of certain works that need reorganization. You lost our trust and earning it back is a hard road.
It doesn't require daily posts (I certainly don't post daily), just consistency and commitment. If you're intimidated by a learning curve, that's okay. We want you to learn the right lessons and aren't giving you a deadline by when you must be good enough. It is intended as a general idea of how long we expect you to take at improving and if you need to take longer, that's fine.
~eliaskelham — Sorry about missing your reply. Part of the problem is that we asked you to post what you'd submit as an edit reason, but you took it as an oppourtunity to explain to us why you left those edits. That's not what we were looking for. What we would like to see is for you to include edit reasons while using the wiki. Do you have any questions about the "Edit Reasons" policy?
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.