Oftentimes here in Trope Talk, we get questions about whether or not a given trope is tropeworthy enough, or is an example of the kind of non-tropes discussed in People Sit on Chairs. These threads are extremely frequent, and per discussion
in the TRS meta thread, this megathread was created.
This will be a centralized place to ask: is this article I found tropeworthy? Does it convey meaning or is it used to tell the story, or is it just something that happens to exist in a work? Ask here, and hopefully you will get the answers you need.
Remember, something that is "(people sit on) chairs" means it's happenstance or conveys no meaning. Something that also happens in real life, is common, is rare, or seems minor is not the same as being chairs.
As an additional note, keep this in mind when bringing tropes in, as noted by amathieu13:
Edited by Tabs on Oct 29th 2023 at 10:08:41 AM
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Right roundhouse kicks are an actual martial arts move, they're just highly over used in media because they look cool despite their impracticality.
That to me sounds less like this should be a distinct trope (which is just going to end up as a catalog of every roundhouse kick in media) and more like this should be an aspect of Artistic License – Martial Arts, which already discusses this in its opening paragraphs
Edited by amathieu13 on Jun 19th 2023 at 7:52:30 AM
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I'm not saying these are not tropeworthy, but why are Leitmotif and Image Song ZCEs magnets? Is it something wrong with the tropes themselves? Or tropers being too lazy to provide more context?
the Retromancer
"X has a specific song about them" is naturally problematic to elaborate, but I'm unsure it's a big issue for those without a wick check. We work with "just enough context", not "as detailed as possible".
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I wonder if it's just song tropes being ZCE magnets. SugarWiki.Awesome Music, for example, is actually (slowly) being wick checked because it attracts a mass of ZCEs and dead or copyright-violating links—IIRC the argument was that we should just gut all examples for that reason (although I'm not sure how possible that is or how well it would be received).
Unfortunately it's difficult to trope music in general—hence why I haven't written some work pages for musicians I want to write. Maybe Image Song and the like just have that problem.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jun 22nd 2023 at 11:57:10 AM
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Double post, sorry, but I happened upon Midflight Water Touching upon clicking Random Trope over and over, and upon reading the description I'm wondering if this is tropeworthy. The description doesn't really say what this trope is meant to convey, just that it happens sometimes. I can think of ways this ''could' be tropeworthy (maybe it's conveying the majesty of flying? IDK), but I wanted to ask here to be certain. Are my concerns valid, or am I missing something?
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jun 22nd 2023 at 12:04:51 PM
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Yeah, music is hard for a lot of people to describe, I think.
Midflight Water Touching, like, I've seen it everywhere but yeah IDK if it's much more than a cool visual.
Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 22nd 2023 at 1:04:14 PM
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I think it's a specific part of Flight of Romance and could be safe to merge. Though there may be Water Means Depression examples.
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We have a broader "flying is awesome" trope to The Joy of First Flight? That seems like the emotion conveyed by "whoopee, touching water while flying through the air!"
Edited by Synchronicity on Jun 22nd 2023 at 2:17:12 PM
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Maybe we could disambig. Though I’d need to do a wick check first and I’m waiting to see if the queue gets shorter first.
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Found one — Game-Over Man. The definition is "someone appears on the game over screen". I feel like this is tropeworthy (it can enforce the failure aspect of Game Over) but I just want to run it by here to be sure.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jun 24th 2023 at 5:13:52 AM
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the Retromancer
I see no issue with it.
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Seems unlike chairs, because it has a purpose, at least in allowing the Game Over to sting more by having someone smile about it.
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Got it. Just wanted to run it here to be 100% certain. Thanks all.
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Even as a YMMV trope, I find Fanart At First Sight really pointless. Why does it matter that fans starts drawing the character before the actual release of the work, as long as there's enough promotional material to use as fan art references? Especially since, unlike Preemptive Shipping, you don't really need to know the plot or characterization to draw a likeness of a person you find attractive. Artists draw "fanarts" of random models and fictional characters without actually knowing who they are and/or where they are from all the time.
Edited by Adept on Jun 26th 2023 at 8:36:11 PM
TBH, I didn't think Preemptive Shipping itself sounded tropeworthy - neither did most of the other people in the conversation where it was suggested. I'm extremely surprised it's now a trope.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
That's not true at all, only one person had a concern, nobody else did. IDK what you're referring to there, Nrjxll.
I'm not referring to the TLP - which, strangely, actually looks like it predates the conversation I'm thinking of, which I'm pretty sure was in the last year. I remember someone suggesting the concept in, IIRC, the Trope Idea Sounding Board thread and it largely being thought unnecessary. Can try and track down the posts if needed.
Edited by nrjxll on Jun 25th 2023 at 11:02:52 AM
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Preemptive Shipping makes sense as a trope, Fanart At First Sight doesn't. Fanart aren't bound to a certain time, anyone can draw a character even before release from promo material. It's not tropeworthy.
I've expressed hesitance about the concept of Fanart At First Sight since the draft stage and would not mourn it if it went.
Right. So if I were to TRS it, what should I be looking for in the wick check?
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Chairs examples and non-tropeworthiness.
i'm at the combination she and it
oh i was also going to bring up fanart at first sight, i have a lot of thoughts about it. i've thought about it a lot and the actual purpose of it. if you really want to dig deep into the trope's purpose, it's really only "a character is popular before the work is released" without explaining why that's noteworthy (compared to other popularity tropes like ensemble dark horse). also, the pre-release reputation of a character means nothing once the work actually comes out, unless it can act as a point of comparison (this is the idea behind tainted by the preview). since it doesn't really do either of those things, examples basically just comes down to "this character is popular!" getting added pre-release and then just being left like that
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Found Wedgie today — is it just "wedgies exist", or something more?
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Stock “funny”, similar to Banana Peel. I’ve never seen it done irl but in fiction it’s a standard act to establish a bully.
Edited by Synchronicity on Jun 30th 2023 at 11:01:12 AM
^^ It wasn't made up by fiction? It's a real martial arts technique. It's just not commonly done in real life because of said impracticality.
^ That makes sense. I just wanted to make sure what the line was because I don't think every single roundhouse kick counts especially if it's not that remarkable compared to other techniques.
Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 19th 2023 at 4:24:47 AM
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