Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
The Undercover Troper
I've got the La Squadra sandbox ready for review.
Orcus on His Throne will always be my pet peeve.
^^ Hey Ayumi just wandering but what about the Diamond Authority’s collective folders (here) and the tropes their in? I checked and the group page is around 100K, so I don’t see why you don’t just merge Yellow (73k) and White (83K) Diamond ( or just one of them if it’s to big to merge both) and leave the other Diamond pages as is or am I missing something?
Edited by Will426 on Mar 25th 2024 at 12:14:47 PM
the Retromancer
Noting if merged pages are above 200000, I'd recommend trying a sandbox first becuase they may get the too-long warning that way and have to be re-split.
Edited by Amonimus on Mar 24th 2024 at 9:48:36 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
low-poly Shinri
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
That's because when combined, it would be above the 200000 byte limit.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Isn't it 250k?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
@ACW - hey, you asked about The Last of Us a page or so back? Here was my suggestion a few weeks ago:
Currently, The Last of Us is split as per below - I think we can definitely merge some of these pages, and would be keen for input. I wonder if it's simply a case of adding Ellie and Joel to the main page (making it 210k), and combining the three other pages into one? (137k)
- Main page - 122kÂ
- Joel - 45kÂ
- Ellie - 44kÂ
- Fireflies - 22kÂ
- Residents of Jackson, Wyoming - 33kÂ
- Washington Liberation Front - 82kÂ
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Just posting to note that some guidance on Character-Specific Pages has now been added to Administrivia's How to Create a Character Page. Until now, there was no mention of CSPs on that page.
This doesn't replicate the dedicated CSP Administrivia page - it's just an overview and a link for more information.
If there's any feedback and a wish to change it, please post to the Outdated Administrivia thread.
The Undercover Troper
I take it there's no objections to this before it can be created?
Orcus on His Throne will always be my pet peeve.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Actually, before that...this might've been answered, but is there a reason Passione as a whole can't be split as its own page, or would that make the rest too small?
Also, what about the other JJBA stuff I mentioned?
Edited by ACW on Mar 25th 2024 at 8:46:40 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
The Undercover Troper
Well, in regards to your other suggestions, I agree with Kars and Toru getting absorbed, but not Giorno, since absorbing him would put Team Bucciarati on the brink of 250,000 bytes, and I'm skeptical of having Jotaro and Polnareff absorbed, since their pages cover their outings beyond just Part 3.
As for splitting Passione as a whole, they combine to make 231,137 bytes. The whole page sits at 267,366 bytes, meaning splitting off Passione would leave just 36,229 bytes, which is incredibly small. I think splitting off La Squadra would be the best course of action.
Orcus on His Throne will always be my pet peeve.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Fair enough on all counts. Though FWIW, Team B. and Giorno combine for like 235k characters, so it's doable? Shrug, I'm fine either way.
Anyone object to merging Kars and Toru?
Edited by ACW on Mar 25th 2024 at 10:47:54 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Regarding this
I think all but Catarina's page can be safely merged
I did something wrong when I was editing Courtney and Duncan back into Total Drama Killer Bass and now the entire text for the page is missing. It might be there when you go into edit, but not when you view it normally. What did I do wrong and what should be done?
Edited by Ruderuby on Mar 25th 2024 at 4:22:56 PM
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
- Baldur's Gate III: Origin Companions (200,808 bytes)
- Baldur's Gate III: Astarion (73,598 bytes)
Should be good to keep separate.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Hey ~Tropers/Ruderuby - it's very likely that you've cut off part of a markup somewhere - e.g. putting [/note]] instead of [[/note]] — that can cause the whole page to disappear. It's a case of checking through for the error, I'm afraid.
Edited by lexii on Mar 25th 2024 at 5:07:10 PM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Toru and Kars are taken care of.
Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure Stardust Crusaders is also getting too big. Split off the Tarot Stand users?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Hi! :3
How many bytes will have, if we do the split ?
Hi! :3
6x Tell the moderators to fix this for you.
Edited by StalkerGamer on Mar 25th 2024 at 2:14:54 PM
The error got fixed. I am now trusting other tropers to merge the rest of the Total Drama characters, and CSP as a whole.
Edited by Ruderuby on Mar 25th 2024 at 6:24:21 PM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
The total page is over 260.2k characters.
Without the users it'd be around 80k I think?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Made South Park Video Game Characters it would be to big together. So I am legit unsure what to do with the New Kid.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
10x (#3963):
Would it be outside of this thread's remit to suggest mergers that does not involve CSP?
Scientia et Libertas | Per Aspera ad Astra Nova
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Are we still planning on merging the third and fourth doctors?
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Hey - might make more sense to merge 1 & 2 now, as 2 is quite low at 31k (and the two 1960s Doctors would be grouped together, which is quite nice?)
Here are my character page suggestions
Characters.Steven Universe
Characters.Fire Emblem Three Houses
- Fire Emblem Three Houses Other Main Characters (leaving the other CSPs untouched)
- Sandbox.Fire Emblem Three Houses Black Eagles Part One
- Sandbox.Fire Emblem Three Houses Black Eagles Part Two
- Sandbox.Fire Emblem Three Houses Blue Lions Part One
- Sandbox.Fire Emblem Three Houses Blue Lions Part Two
- Sandbox.Fire Emblem Three Houses Golden Deer Part One
- Sandbox.Fire Emblem Three Houses Golden Deer Part Two
She/Her | Currently cleaning N/A