Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment - Violations, misuse, and other issues

~dororo re-added the Ouran Harsher in Hindsight examples.

Can I remove the previously mentioned Harsher in Hindsight examples from YMMV.Ouran High School Host Club again? It's not edit warring if a thread decided to remove them, right?

Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but I found this on Headscratchers.Seven Days:

Maybe not a ROCEJ violation, but it still seems pretty tasteless to me.

I've removed it myself, and linked this thread in the edit reason. It isn't edit warring if it is to bring an example in line with wiki policy, plus it was re-added back in November which is a bit of a long time for an edit war.

I don't get what the person is scratching their head over in that example either. Headscratchers is for Fridge Logic, questions that bug you once you're done watching.

We could really use a WMG/Headscratchers cleanup effort to go through all the bad-faith items tropers post like conspiracy theories, but I admittedly wouldn’t be able to help with that, on account of how even some of the items not written to be hostile are still so dumb they give me a headache to read.

I removed it.

I think I saw a similar example of Values Resonance before regarding incels, but I don’t quite remember it exactly.

Anyways, do you think this is a shoehorn?

YMMV.Persona 4

• Values Resonance:
  • Adachi feels that society "owes" him success and a relationship because of his hard work in his youth, and blames women for rejecting him even when he sexually assaults them. Then, when outed as the murderer, he blames society for making him this way. His actions are eerily predictive of the "incel" movement from the later half of the New 10's.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Mar 16th 2020 at 6:31:34 AM

This was added to the Real Life section of Dying Alone. Is it a candidate?

• A lot of Co VID 19 patients die in isolation wards because of how contagious the disease is, and many of them die while on ventilators, rendering them unable to speak, and due to quarantine, their loved-ones can only say goodbye through video-call on a smartphone or tablet.

I think that, at the very least, it should be removed due to examples are not general.

A while ago, I had tried to find evidence for something I saw that I wanted to add to Too Soon: At the same time most broadcast stations aired breaking news about the Las Vegas shooting in 2017 and at the moment it was revealed to be the deadliest of its' kind, Cartoon Network aired the Teen Titans Go! episode "Serious Business". Now why is this too soon? The episode has a Running Gag in which a bathroom explodes. Then, a rerun was slated for Thursday morning, but "The Streak", one of their Extra Long Episodes, aired instead. Today, I found a scheduled archive that prooved that this memory of mine was correct. Same exact time and date, too. I tried to add it previously and it got deleted, probably as a result of this rule. Would it be OK to add back to the main Too Soon page, with the evidence this time (like the Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood example I put on there recently, which showed a screencap of a schedule as evidence)? I already added the new evidence to the trivia page for the show. If you want me to remove this, I'll do so.

Edited by mimitchi33 on Apr 24th 2020 at 2:27:22 AM

On a scale of 1 to 10, how badly do you guys think these violate the ROCEJ?

RuinedFOREVER.Video Games Specific:

• The fury over a romance other that male/female goes Up To Eleven for Mass Effect: Andromeda, and some have latched onto another issue...in their words:
  The main character is not white enough? TRIGGERED!!!!!
• Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus is getting a lot of this, for a variety of reasons, including but not limited to Grace (A black woman) leading the American resistance and the Kreisau Circle after BJ recruits her, BJ sarcastically echoing Super Spesh's "white-ass Nazi pigs"" line, one of the characters being communist and the game having "too many" cutscenes. The game is thus being decried as "SJW Propaganda" for the former three.
• Battlefield V and a British woman with a prosthetic arm fighting on the front lines made the Internet explode. The cries of appeasing feminists and how it makes the game unrealistic drown out any reasonable discussion on the matter. Never mind that historically accurate only lobbies can be made, simple having this as an option has enraged purists.
• At E3 2018, the revelation that The Last of Us Part II features a scene where Ellie kisses another girl led to some fans crying this (ignoring that she is officially a lesbian).
• "A tourney level Over Watch player pretended to be a new girl??? How dare he catfish and use another account!!! Wait Blizzard does not care?!?!? How dare they not post Crossdresser Tears videos like we are!!!!! I WANT MY CROSSDRESSER TEARS VIDEOS!!!!! NOW THEY MADE SOLDIER 76 GAY!?!?! I HATE THE GAYS!!!!! LUBBA RUBBA DUB BUB. REEEEEE!!!!!!! REEEE!!!!! REEEE!!!!! I HATE THE REEEEEE!!!!!!! REEEE!!!!! REEEE!!!!!"

That last one can just be cut outright without even dealing with the ROCEJ itself, because it's so badly written.

Ugh... I don't mean to make any sweeping judgments about whoever wrote it, but "REEEEE!" is, in my experience, often used as an insult aimed towards autistic people. It does seem like whoever wrote it thinks it originates from that one Rick and Morty Fan Dumb video, so it's probably not meant to be an ableist slur in this context, but still, it doesn't make for a very pleasant example to look at.

The use of "REEEEE" is the least of its concerns.

Pinging ~tsstevens for an explanation. No edits since January.

Edited by bwburke94 on May 1st 2020 at 1:23:31 PM

I wouldn't call it a "slur" so much as an offensive stereotype, but yeah, wow.

Seriously though that comment in general makes my eyes bleed. It needs to go. The others are bad too, but not as much.

I think they were trying to make fun of "anti-SJWs". Keyword: trying.

Anyways, I'll just go and burn all those entries I listed.

Edited by PlasmaPower on May 1st 2020 at 3:50:34 PM

FWIW, I've only ever seen "REEEEE" in this context used as general-purpose mockery of whining on the internet, so I agree that the editor probably didn't have bad intentions. But that said: how is Ruined Forever even a page? It seems like it's purely intended for complaining about complaining. That doesn't sound appropriate even for Darth Wiki.

That's funny, because I've only ever seen "REEE" as a way to dismiss someone else's point without actually engaging with it in any substantive way, and thus I consider it poor form and evidence of bad faith whether it appears to be explicitly in reference to autistic people or not.

I've always associated it with the *autistic screeching* thing, but you're correct that it's bad faith even if it isn't explicitly ableist. While I don't think the viewpoints being bashed in the Ruined Forever entries submitted here are in any way valid, thise entries are also inflammatory and pretty much operating on the same level as people who throw fits about women in video games in the first place

Also, I have to wonder how many entries on this "page" are "legitimate" Complaining About People Not Liking the Show or Complaining About Complaining (the things that the page is theoretically about) and how much is just Complaining About Shows You Don't Like disguised as legitimate entries.

Edited by Serac on May 2nd 2020 at 12:54:15 PM

Honestly, accusing any group of fans of being sexist, homophobic, etc. is pretty much Flame Bait and should be purged accordingly.

Anyways, it was also discussed on the complaining thread that Ruined FOREVER should be looked at the TRS.

That wouldn't surprise me, TBH.

Ruined Forever is probably in need of a purge as a form of Hate Dumb.

The New Twenties has been brought up on ATT; the discussion has been sent to this thread.