Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment - Violations, misuse, and other issues

Susan Sarandon's Role-Ending Misdemeanor example has just been edited to replace "Anti-Semitic" with "pro-Palestine".

I think it's fair to say that she wasn't dropped purely for being pro-Palestinian rights and the comments were perceived as antisemitic. But I don't personally like either version of the example.

News coverage is here.

How about:

• Susan Sarandon was dropped by talent agency UTA in November 2023 after allegations of antisemitism. Sarandon had spoken about the Arab–Israeli Conflict at a pro-Palestine rally, saying that American Jews facing hate and harassment were "getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country". She later apologised for her remarks.

I think this is better.

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Agreed, it's more objective.

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Thanks - updated it.

Forgot about the Chuggaaconroy discussion from earlier. The one as it stands seems fine, though I'd probably make a few more adjustments.

• Prolific LPer and The Runaway Guys member Chuggaaconroy went on hiatus in January 2024 when Lady Emily accused him of unwanted erotic roleplay, with his former friends MasaeAnela and AntDude following with accusations of him violating their boundaries. Evidence of Chugga sending sexual messages to a 15-year-old fan when he was 19 in tandem with the allegations above led to The Runaway Guys going on an indefinite hiatus. Masae archived her videos containing Chugga following the fallout, and both ProtonJon and NintendoCapriSun have professionally distanced themselves from Chugga. It was later announced that The Runaway Guys would be rebranded and continued without Chugga.

I also made a write-up for his Trivia page.

• Chugga went on hiatus in January 2024 when Lady Emily accused him of unwanted erotic roleplay, with MasaeAnela and AntDude following with accusations of him violating their boundaries. Evidence of Chugga sending sexual messages to a 15-year-old fan when he was 19 in tandem with the allegations above led to The Runaway Guys going on an indefinite hiatus. Masae archived her videos containing Chugga following the fallout, and both ProtonJon and NintendoCapriSun have professionally distanced themselves from Chugga. It was later announced that The Runaway Guys would be rebranded and continued without Chugga.

Looks good to me. Just one nitpick — I would've used "Emile" instead of "Chugga", solely to make it sound less informal.

"As long as I have my comrades with me, I can do anything!" (She/Her)

Agreed. It also helps to draw the distinction between the Chuggaa brand and the creator behind it.

On YMMV.Transformers Prime Galvatrons Revenge (these are the only two entries on the page, it's pretty short):

• Questionable Casting: Optimus Prime, a character whose motto is famously "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings", is voiced in this project by Orbital Bacon, a well documented bigot in the Transformers community.
• Tainted by the Preview: The reveal that Optimus Prime would be voiced by the controversial OrbitalBacon (who was kicked off two other TF content creators’ works for his bigoted views) turned a lot of people against the project. The director refusing to condone his star’s actions only made things worse, as did his idea to lock the movie behind a $50 paywall, although Carlos eventually relented and decided to release the fully rendered movie on Youtube for free later in 2024.

Questionable Casting and Tainted by the Preview are about an actor's performance and an actual scene in a work respectively. I don't think they're about an actor's behind-the-scenes shenanigans. I feel like Orbital Bacon is more worthy of an Overshadowed by Controversy point (I think 6+ months have passed since the initial callout, I think it's fine now)

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I don't think Tainted by the Preview is scene-specific by the description, so it can include stuff like casting issues, but it does seem to require an official preview.

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The Questionable Casting entry reads as misuse. I think that one can be safely cut.

That being said the tumblr post linked someone commented, "I wonder if it’s not a planned move. Like let’s be honest, not many people remember about this project and they want some controversy to make people talk about it again." so I wonder if they intentionally cast a controversial and hated actor to make people care about this fanfilm.

Agree with cutting the Questionable Casting entry.

It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird

Does the language used in the explanation for this entry on Memes.Gundam seem a bit suspect to anyone else? I've bolded the statement that stuck out as most ROCEJ-breaking to me.

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• Tomino is anti-woke^ExplanationOn December 19, 2023, an article of an interview from Yoshiyuki Tomino was posted online with the headline that Disney movies were "empty and boring" and that anime should avoid falling into that pitfall. Reading the interview would reveal that Tomino criticized Disney's abandonment of hand-drawn 2D animation in favor of 3D animation, thus lacking innovation and risk-taking. However, a bunch of right-wing "otaku" brainwashed into the culture war against Disney took it to meant that Tomino was trashing Disney's usage of women, minorities and other "woke" ideology. Furthermore, one reporting site used a picture of the Freedom Gundam to represent the franchise while a commentator used various Gundams from G Gundam to prove how "anti-woke" Tomino was. All of these people were promptly mocked for their inability to read.

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I feel that this language, inlcuding the use of scare quotes, implies all otaku are anti-woke.

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My gut feeling is that the example is ROCEJ-violating and probably inflating a tiny group's reaction into a "meme". Basically, making a mountain out of a molehill. I'd be happy with cutting it.

I don't think you can read it as saying that all otaku are far-right, though. It says "a small group of right-wing otaku," which doesn't state anything about all otaku.

It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird

I don't see the part clarifying how that was used as a meme. If nothing else it's God Never Said That.

Edited by mightymewtron on Mar 21st 2024 at 11:45:51 AM

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I'd say if anything, the scare quotes make it clear that the right-wingers in question aren't representative of all otaku, or even any otaku potentially and are just right-wingers grabbing onto something they don't know or care about since they think it aligns with their arguments.

But overall I don't think that it can qualify for a meme.

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Yeah, that definitely sounds like it'd trying to shoehorn the fandom discourse of the week as a Memetic Mutation entry. I say cut.

Quiet on Set was launched not too long ago and I'm worried about the Real Life troping of the events of the documentary and any possible ROCEJ edits, considering the subject matter.

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I agree. I have not watched the series, but can already spot one entry that is wildly inappropriate:

• Adapted Out: Angelique Bates is not featured in the special, despite her own traumatizing experiences on set.

This is absolutely not what Adapted Out is for, instant cut.

Yeah reading through the page it already does things like applying morality tropes to real life people, even though I and mostly everyone else would agree Brian Peck and Dan Schinder are horrible people, I still think it violates real life troping.

I mentioned this a few months ago in regard to the Jimmy Savile documentary and thought I needed to clarify it a little bit. I'm not too big on the idea of having pages for True Crime documentaries, especially regarding abuse/rape cases. To me, they seem like open invitations for real-person bashing and other ROCEJ problems. I think that, at the very least, we should do what was done with the Savile documentary by adding a message saying to trope only the documentary, not the people or the real events.

That's already supposed to be the status quo. If people break those rules, then we add a tag.

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I feel like these examples are pretty dicey on that page.

• Bitch in Sheep's Clothing: Filled with a lot of these:
  • Dan Schneider himself as he pretends to be a goofy silly dude who makes kids laugh but is actually a cruel and cold boss to his actors and writers.
  • The two pedophiles on set (Brian Peck and Jason Michael Handy) who act nice and friendly but really do so to prey on young children.
• Faux Affably Evil: Dialogue coach Brian Peck who acts nice and goofy to the crew and child actors and especially to Drake Bell such as taking him to Disneyland just to molest him. When Drake ended up staying at his girlfriend's house, Brian Peck called him extensively at the home and yelled at Drake for not seeing him.
• Manchild: How Dan Schneider comes off. At first it seems like he's just One of the Kids with his skill at appealing to child audiences, writing children's humor, and working with child actors. But it also manifests in him being petty, controlling, and lording his power over his cast and crew (especially the women and children) with cruel or humiliating pranks. One interviewee even suggests that innuendo-filled scenes with (often underage) female characters were a way for Dan to vicariously fulfill his adolescent fantasies.

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These come off as real-life troping to me. Burn them.

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