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crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
May 21st 2018 at 11:58:45 AM

A new week means new pages, right?

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May 21st 2018 at 12:11:50 PM

Someone needs to get Breakermorant into this thread.

crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
May 21st 2018 at 12:35:50 PM

You mean Breaker Morant? That's Australian, according to the page.

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May 21st 2018 at 1:20:57 PM

No, I mean Breaker Morrant, the troper who has made a whole sheaf of European cinema work pages of late.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tropers/BreakerMorrant

crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
May 21st 2018 at 2:36:26 PM

You can send a PM to a thread by using tilde at-symbol backslash tropername. Like this: ~Breaker Morant.

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lakingsif Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
May 21st 2018 at 3:58:16 PM

Paging ~breakermorrant. Though they don't seem to have been super active recently, and I would want them to work through the Get Help With English Thread at least for a while.

OH MY GOD; MY PARENTS ARE GARDENIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!
Lyendith I'm not insane, I'm not… not insane! from Bègles, France Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
I'm not insane, I'm not… not insane!
May 27th 2018 at 2:54:00 PM

The Man Who Killed Don Quixote… Coproduced between France, Belgium and Spain with a British director. Can't get more European than that. tongue

Though it seems some people familiar with Gilliam's work found the film underwhelming, it was quite fascinating to me to share the main character's confusion as to what was real and what wasn't. Having the third act take place in a costume party was quite a brilliant move in that regard, as it blended all of the film's aspects together. I'm not very fond of the ending though. Toby becoming cray and taking over the Don Quixote mantle after accidentally killing Javier was kinda poetic but incredibly sad at the same time.

Flippé de participer à ce grand souper, je veux juste m'occuper de taper mon propre tempo.
May 30th 2018 at 2:19:48 PM

I'm getting a Filmstruck subscription today. Probably the first thing I do will be to watch The 400 Blows and then break the redirect and make a separate page for it.

lakingsif Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
May 30th 2018 at 2:20:22 PM

It is a great film, as if it's reputation hadn't confirmed that.

OH MY GOD; MY PARENTS ARE GARDENIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!
May 30th 2018 at 2:58:49 PM

Today really brought home for me the decline of physical media. Honestly, I like having physical media. Several of my most recent work pages for foreign films, including Stolen Kisses, were facilitated by acquiring used DVD. Can't do that in our brave new streaming age, can't sell your streaming stuff at a yard sale or donate it to a library.

But today I went into a Barnes and Noble that had a wide selection of Criterion films, and they were $30-40 a pop. For one DVD. As opposed to $100/year for Filmstruck.

lakingsif Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
May 30th 2018 at 3:53:16 PM

Most people I know prefer or at least really enjoy physical media. But companies are still insistent on "future tech" and maybe material saving?

OH MY GOD; MY PARENTS ARE GARDENIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!
crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
May 30th 2018 at 9:49:48 PM

Ehhh, I'm a fan of dense storage and backups. That is, I like having a copy in a DVD case, another in an external HD, and if I want easy access I would set up a third copy directly on my laptop.

I dunno, maybe it's a habit from learning that my movies/books can be destroyed and wanting to have access anyway.

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Jun 7th 2018 at 9:12:32 AM

Seven Beauties.

Well it's certainly a clash of tones. There's Black Comedy slapstick, like when a Mafia mook is bumbling around trying to get rid of a corpse. There's also a horrifying portion set in a concentration camp.

crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Jun 8th 2018 at 9:47:34 AM

"hood" is supposed to be short for "hoodlum", not "neighborhood", right? The page reads very well, and I want to watch it (adding to the list of works I haven't gotten to in months).

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Jun 8th 2018 at 6:18:25 PM

Yes, hoodlum.

Some of the wildest tonal shifts I've ever seen.

crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Jun 9th 2018 at 2:43:45 PM

Consider Mood Whiplash and Bathos entries, then.

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Jun 10th 2018 at 9:25:36 AM

Burnt by the Sun, 1994 Russian winner for Best Foreign Language Film.

Pretty great examination of the Stalinist terror, as seen in one afternoon, when a long-lost relation who turns out to be working for the NKVD comes to visit a family on vacation. Realistic and sad.

Oddly, followed by a sequel that retconned the shit out of the story, resurrecting two dead characters and aging a character a good ten years older than she should have been in 1941. Huge bomb, it seems. But the original is really good.

lakingsif Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
Jun 10th 2018 at 9:33:55 AM

What do you all think of the works of Terry Gilliam? Apart from the Pythons, he obviously makes works which are along the same lines as Black Mirror, and with equally great production values, so despite their "darkness" I wouldn't know if the films are really European Cinema.

(The Burnt by the Sun page image got me thinking of Gilliam, and it sounds interesting. BBTS also seems to use some postmodernist elements on top of a realistic depiction)

edited 10th Jun '18 9:35:07 AM by lakingsif

OH MY GOD; MY PARENTS ARE GARDENIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!
crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Jun 11th 2018 at 6:04:29 AM

What do you all think of the works of Terry Gilliam?
I don't go out of my way to watch his works specifically, but I'm usually happy with any works by Python troupe members. uhhh, can I whine about ZCE? I think a bunch of entries need more context to establish themselves as examples. [shame]

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Jun 11th 2018 at 6:56:50 AM

Such as? I added context for some examples.

crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Jun 11th 2018 at 12:35:22 PM

    ZCE 
  • Badass Moustache: Kotov sports a pair of them. (Pair of what? Badasses? This trope is troublesome, as it's part of BOTH the Bad Ass mess and the Personal Appearence Tropes mess, and the redirect is used instead of the correct page.)
  • Bath Suicide: Dimitri/Mitya at the end. (Doesn't say what happens. Do they kill the bathtub? Drink poison? Fall asleep in kool-aid?)
  • Book-Ends: The story ends where it began, in Mitya's apartment, but in the end he is slitting his wrists in the bathtub. (Just taking place in the same house isn't enough of a bookend. Compare/Contrast is needed.)
  • Brawn Hilda: The fat lady walking on the strand asking everyone what time it is. (Doesn't establish the character is unattractive due to traditionally masculine traits.)
  • Childhood Friend Romance: Mitya was a childhood friend and ex-fiancée of Marusya, until he disappeared more than ten years before the storyline. (It would be nice to know what they did to indicate childhood romance, but this technically has sufficient context.)
  • Did Not Get the Girl: Although it seems like Mitya would love to resume is life with Marusya, in the end he doesn't and commits suicide. (The context given here suggests that he does get the girl, and rejects it in favour of death.)
  • Energy Ball: Ball lightning. (Weblinks Are Not Examples)
  • Fascist, but Inefficient: There's no other way to explain a military exercise that is guaranteed to destroy crops and possibly harm civilians. (Text sounds like Armed Farces Played for Drama.)
  • Malevolent Mugshot: The poster of Josef Stalin. (Weblinks Are Not Examples)
  • Manchild: Kirik barely seems to behave his age. (Um, why would you say that?)
  • Meganekko: Lyuba does have a pair of big, round glasses. (As a Clothing Reflects Personality trope, you're expected to say something about her personality as well.)
  • May–December Romance: Marusya looks like she's half her husband's age, or even less. (Technically sufficient context, but establishing the different stages of life each are in would be good, because it might just be Hollywood Old.)
  • Plucky Girl: Nadya. Big time. (No details on why this character is cheerful/brave. Also, I don't know what gender the name Nadya indicates.)
  • The Purge: Going on in a big way in 1936, as Stalin wipes out millions. (Needs to establish why these people are being killed, even if the objective is omnicide.)
  • Reign of Terror: Stalin's Great Terror, in which millions of innocent people were tortured and put to death. Often people used the Terror to settle old scores, as seen in this film. (Fails to establish regime change and which ideals were lost.)
  • Running Gag: The truck driver who is lost. (Please include at least how often it repeats, preferably explain how each instance differs.)
  • Tomboy: If Nadya's desire to be a pioneer when she'll grow up is any indication. (any indication... what? What is a tomboy? Are all pioneers tomboys?)
Separately, I don't think Screw the Rules, I Have Connections! is an Averted Trope example. The character invoked it, unaware that the person they were using to defend themselves ordered the attack.

edited 11th Jun '18 12:35:58 PM by crazysamaritan

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Jun 11th 2018 at 12:41:55 PM

Most of those are sufficient context. The Purge and Reign of Terror certainly do. They reference Stalin's Great Terror; if a reader does not know what those are it is not the work page's fault, it is the reader's fault. Bath Suicide has a specific meaning that does not include either killing a bathtub or drinking poison. Nadya is always a girl's name. I'll make another pass soon.

EDIT: I went back and deleted several tropes that strike me as being shoehorned and added context to others. The Purge and Reign of Terror, as I noted above, seem ok as they are to me.

edited 11th Jun '18 3:08:32 PM by jamespolk

crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Jun 14th 2018 at 2:47:51 PM

Examples should not depend on "what the reader knows":

there are a lot of people who aren't familiar with the work/character and who don't understand the trope.

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Jun 16th 2018 at 8:07:30 AM

[up]We can't write tropes to explain every tiny little thing. It is not wrong to expect a certain modicum of historical literacy; it is not wrong to expect a reader to have at least minimum knowledge that Stalin killed a lot of people in the 1930s. TV Tropes is not the place to turn an entry for The Purge into a mini-essay on the Great Terror. So I will not be adding any more context to those entries. You are welcome to do so.


Anyhoo, in other news, I expanded the work page for Leviathan, the recent Russian foreign language film nominee that I just watched. It sure is a downer. Good movie, though.

Jun 25th 2018 at 9:26:10 PM

Watched a movie called Revanche, an Oscar nominee from 2008.

Austrian flick, small-time thug decides to rob a bank to rescue his hooker girlfriend from Indentured Servitude in a brothel. Naturally things go wrong, but the story after that plays out in some surprising ways.


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