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This thread is a metathread for Trope Repair Shop discussion. Things like TRS policy, what is needed in a TRS opening post, questions about whether a certain topic is TRS-worthy and questions about why a thread wasn't opened go here.

Some guidelines for when/whether to use TRS:

  • If the trope is fine, but has some bad examples, feel free to clean them up or to start a cleanup project at Projects: Short-Term. Trope Repair Shop is for when cleaning isn't sufficient.
  • If you think there's something wrong with the trope that systematically attracts improper examples, start a discussion at Trope Talk. Use a Wick Check to see whether there's an issue present (and if there is, what the issue is), and post the results on TRS Queue and wait your turn if a problem is present. The following methods are two possible ways to do a wick check (though not necessarily the only ways):
    • You can go ahead with the Wick Check without a discussion if you know what you're looking for. While it's not mandatory, feel free to ask someone for help confirming that you got the issue and the numbers correct.
    • Consult the Wick Check Project thread to collect evidence if you need help.
  • If a wick check is too much for you, you can leave the issue at Tropes Needing TRS citing the discussion.
  • Depending on a trope (or non-trope) in question, a wick check may be determined to not be required, such as for tropes that are not thriving (per the standards for trope health listed on the Wick page). However, there is no problem if you want to do one anyway.

For a more detailed introduction to this forum, click here.

For related projects, see Wick Cleaning Projects and the Wick Check Project.

See Tropes Needing TRS for a list of trope candidates for TRS.

A (not mandatory, informal) queue for prospective TRS participants can be found at the TRS Queue.

For a list of wiki pages related to thread outcomes, see the following:

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 24th 2024 at 1:49:19 PM

JHD0919 One-Track Mind (he/him) from a 12-pack of Diet Coke (Troper in training) Relationship Status: Abstaining
WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#8577: Dec 17th 2023 at 8:40:12 AM

I mean, yeah the queue is just a suggestion.

[down] Yes; as I said, the queue is a suggestion. We don't close threads just for not going through the process.

Edited by WarJay77 on Dec 17th 2023 at 11:46:30 AM

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
StalkerGamer Hi! :3 Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Love is an open door
Hi! :3
Berrenta How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#8579: Dec 17th 2023 at 8:57:25 AM

~good-morning Looks like we got a snipe. We'll let you know when there's an open slot.

she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope Report
GastonRabbit MOD Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#8580: Dec 17th 2023 at 10:25:16 AM

I brought back The Dragon's thread with the thread clocked.

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Nen_desharu Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire from Greater Smash Bros. Universe or Toronto Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
#8581: Dec 17th 2023 at 6:09:50 PM

We are back with 51 active TRS items.

Kirby is awesome.
GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#8582: Dec 17th 2023 at 9:30:14 PM

Yeah, I brought The Dragon's thread back from the Morgue after Nintendo Hard's thread was made. Thankfully, at least two threads have relatively low wick counts if we want to get a slot freed, since Just For Pun and WTH, Casting Agency? don't have terribly high amounts of wicks left.

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#8583: Dec 17th 2023 at 9:34:08 PM

The Dragon also won't eat up a spot for long since we mainly just want to resolve definitional issues.

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GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#8584: Dec 22nd 2023 at 1:11:21 AM

Since I brought back Broken Aesop's thread since the condition for bringing it back was coming to a decision regarding what to do with An Aesop (which happened recently), we're at 51 threads, but since I called the thread for The Great Player Versus Player Debate, which is a wick-starved page, we should be back down to 50 threads soon.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 22nd 2023 at 3:11:37 AM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#8585: Dec 24th 2023 at 2:05:10 PM

I closed the God Is Evil thread because I noticed that the thread actually didn't make any changes to the trope, and the decision was to make a TLP draft that ended up with concerns regarding redundancy with God of Evil. That conversation ought to be taking place in the comments for the TLP draft and not a TRS thread that had no action being take for the trope it was for, and if God of Evil needs TRS, it needs its own thread. That, and if anyone wants to move examples from God Is Evil to either Evil Gods or God of Evil in the future, that can be done through Short-Term Projects or Wick Cleaning Projects.

Anyway, paging ~good-morning since they're up next.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 24th 2023 at 4:16:23 AM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#8586: Dec 24th 2023 at 2:16:52 PM

OK, so I saw that good-morning hasn't been online in two days (might be taking a break for the holidays) and has gone a bit longer than that without posting. Paging ~MacronNotes instead.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 24th 2023 at 4:19:27 AM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
good-morning Lord Something, Forgetter of Cool Titles from Brazil Since: Nov, 2021
Lord Something, Forgetter of Cool Titles
#8588: Dec 25th 2023 at 6:48:28 AM

[up][up]I am haha, but thank you for letting me know. Don't worry, the TRS for that trope isn't urgent

oh hey how are you doing?
GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#8589: Dec 25th 2023 at 7:49:40 AM

[up]No big deal. WTH, Casting Agency? doesn't have too many wicks left to sort through (and it forbids on-page examples, so only wicks need to be sorted through) and I've been chipping away at Bonus Boss (and I think others have been working on the latter), so you should be getting a slot soon.

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
AudioSpeaks2 He/Him (Greenhorn) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
He/Him
#8590: Dec 26th 2023 at 5:52:12 PM

Shouldn't Comic Strips be the main page instead of Newspaper Comics? I mean, even disregarding how comic strips can be distributed digitally now, see modern Garfield, Foxtrot, and AJ & Magnus'', comic strips even before the internet can be published via Magazines. So I'm not sure why we don't use the more inclusive nane.

Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation project
Nen_desharu Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire from Greater Smash Bros. Universe or Toronto Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
#8591: Dec 26th 2023 at 6:26:35 PM

[up]The definitions between Comic Strips and Webcomics are becoming very blurred, given that those in the Comic Strip namespace are often also available digitally (including on the same day as the print version of the same strip) and Webcomics are sometimes also available in print.

Yes, Newspaper Comics should be moved to Comic Strips.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Dec 26th 2023 at 9:27:29 AM

Kirby is awesome.
AudioSpeaks2 He/Him (Greenhorn) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
He/Him
#8592: Dec 26th 2023 at 6:52:40 PM

[up] I'll put it up in the TRS Queue

Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation project
Tehrannotaur Since: Mar, 2013
#8593: Dec 29th 2023 at 12:29:37 AM

With Heroes renamed to Hero Tropes, would it be appropriate to rename Villains to Villain Tropes?

sohibil pragmatic scientist from the Lab Since: Dec, 2020 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
pragmatic scientist
#8594: Dec 30th 2023 at 6:36:26 AM

Anybody else thinks that VideoGame examples of Armor Is Useless suffer from quite a lot of misuse? Especially on work pages.

Or is it just me being too nitpicky? I mean if an armor does reduce the damage taken, then it's not really useless, is it?

Humankind is like a train. No matter how powerful the locomotive is, it can only travel as fast as its slowest car allows it to.
GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#8595: Dec 30th 2023 at 7:15:05 AM

We wouldn't know for sure without a Wick Check.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 30th 2023 at 9:15:16 AM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Ayumi-chan low-poly Shinri from Calvard (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
low-poly Shinri
#8596: Dec 31st 2023 at 5:42:04 AM

Just a question, should Time-Shifted Actor and Character Aged with the Actor be trivia tropes?

She/Her | Currently cleaning N/A
WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#8597: Jan 1st 2024 at 12:53:35 PM

It's been ages since Recycled In Space got renamed to Recycled with a Gimmick, but far as I can tell the cleanup never happened (prolly because we kept the main trope as a redirect despite it having been spammed everywhere) . Do we make/resurrect a thread? Stick on Wick Cleaning Projects and hope someone picks it up?

Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 1st 2024 at 3:54:35 PM

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
#8598: Jan 1st 2024 at 1:09:08 PM

Shouldn't there be a Short-Term for it?

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#8599: Jan 1st 2024 at 1:19:26 PM

There might. My thought though is that it's really just dewicking and cutting misuse, the type of thing that tends to lead to slow threads since most can just be axed on sight.

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
jandn2014 Very Spooky from somewhere in Connecticut Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Hiding
Very Spooky
#8600: Jan 1st 2024 at 4:17:58 PM

I'd be up for a cleanup thread of some sort, but as you said, it's debatable as to where to put it. Short-Term may not be right, as project threads tend to focus on bringing up questionable examples for evaluation. At the same time, it's unlikely that those 5300 wicks are going to go away on their own, so I think a thread of some sort is needed to draw attention to it.

back lol

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