The Scrappy Cleanup

On Pokémon Legends: Arceus:

• The Scrappy: Bagin. Good god, Bagin. He's the NPC who charges you some money to expand your inventory as the game goes along. Normally this wouldn't be a bad thing, but Bagin's costs get progressively more expensive as the game goes along at a polynomial rate. Over the course of 37 expansions, Bagin's costs go from a mere P500 to P1,000,000. The grand total of money spent expanding bag slots in the game is P4,199,500. It's also the way he teaches you to expand your inventory. See, you're not getting extra bags, or pouches, or anything like that. No, he's simply teaching you how to better organize your bag, which raises the question of why he couldn't just show you how to do it to begin with. Within two days of the game's launch, the subreddit r/FuckBagin was created and players across social media and the internet were expressing their vitriol for the game's resident Money Sink.

As much as I agree with this being a shitty mechanic, it's purely a gameplay thing and belongs on Scrappy Mechanic instead, right? In fact it's already listed there.

Edited by mightymewtron on Mar 16th 2023 at 9:56:05 AM

I agree that Firestar and Rainflower don't count as scrappies. Firestar is a base breaker and Rainflower is indeed a Hate Sink.

Even then, it seems like it's not the gameplay mechanic that's hated, just the way it's described. I'd just cut it.

From YMMV.Yakuza 4:

• Yasuko, who is revealed to be an assassin behind many deaths in the game. The narrative tries to present her as a Femme Fatale, but she carries such a frail and demure personality that it comes off as an Informed Attribute, and anything she does that supports the claim is never shown on-screen with one exception. She's especially disliked by fans of Kaoru Sayama and Yayoi Dojima who were considered far better and more convincing Action Girls by comparison as well as fans of Hana who is more well-liked both in terms of being a more believable Action Girl and having better chemistry with Akiyama despite him showing more romantic interest in Yasuko. Not helping matters is that her staunch devotion to Saejima along with the emotional impact of her losing her life and perishing in arms of a distraught Saejima is lessened by how we never see any meaningful interaction between her and Saejima on-screen. While there is a point in the plot where the two of them are captured by Katsuragi's men and according to Yasuko, the two siblings are apparently able to catch up with one another after all these years of separation, absolutely none of it is actually shown and she dies not much later.

I, don't think she's as hated as this says? This feels more of a They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character than an actual scrappy.

Edited by TheWrongOne41 on Mar 16th 2023 at 10:21:02 AM

I'm reposting the following here, since I think it will find more reach here:

In this entry for the YMMV page for Yashahime, Damsel scrappy is used as follows.

• Damsel Scrappy: Rin can come off as this by this sequel as much of her purpose in Inuyasha relied on her having to be saved by either Sesshomaru or other characters, and she even got resurrected from death twice. While more justified in the original series as she was just a small child, in Yashahime, Rin has been cursed and placed in a tree for 14+ years to keep her safe, and much of the plot revolves around her being trapped there and if she can be saved, while Inuyasha and Kagome apparently got sealed away solely to keep them from inadvertently killing her. The fact that Rin never got the opportunity to be a character on her own but has basically been reduced to a plot device that has to be saved yet again at the heavy cost of other beloved characters can really wear on the patience for those who either don't care for her or feel the potential of what her character could have been has been entirely wasted.

I understand from the trope description that audiences are supposed to feel no sympathy for the damsel's plight, but I haven't seen enough evidence of that in the fandom to justify an entry.

The definition for The Scrappy mentions Flame Hyenard from Mega Man X7 as a character who isn't a Scrappy, since he's not hated for narrative reasons, but he's still listed on the franchise's Scrappy page. On that page, it's mentioned that he's hated because of his voice, rather than his stage or boss fight. Does an annoying voice count as a narrative reason?

Isn't he considered more So Bad, It's Good than The Scrappy?

He's widely considered the worst Marverick in the series partially for his fight but mainly for his BURNBURNBURNTOTHEGROUND Ear Rape. I'm not sure if the fact its auditory would make it count as a story complaint

I would like to add this entry to the Scrappy page under Tabletop Games, which is already on the YMMV page for D&D. Alternatively, if this doesn't fit the criteria, I can remove it from the YMMV D&D page.

It's a bit contentious because it's a race instead of a character, but it seems to fit the bill.

• No race in the entire Dungeons & Dragons franchise has inspired such sheer loathing among the playerbase as kender from the Dragonlance setting. Their negative reputation comes from their intrinsic attraction to griefers. In theory, the kender are supposed to be childlike and innocent — their racial hat, being impulsive thieves, is supposed to be the result of a lack of understanding of boundaries and limitless curiosity rather than greed or malice. In practice, kender attract the sorts of people who love stealing party members' stuff for the explicit purpose of disrupting the game and screwing with other players by badgering them with annoying questions while hiding behind "roleplaying" as an excuse, all with the material's implicit sanction. And while the kender are childlike and innocent, their players know exactly what they're doing. Many DMs take a dim view of anyone wanting to play a kender, and many players wish that the race as a whole would just go away. It's widely thought that the reason the kender took so long to be released in playable form for Fifth Edition is because the designers knew it would be negatively received. And indeed, when an Unearthed Arcana was released in March 2022 with the kender being the new race, and Dragonlance: Shadow of the Dragon Queen tweaked them slightly in November 2022, the reaction was universally negative. Players were mad not only at attempting to retcon the Curious as a Monkey trait, but simply bringing them back in the first place was enough to make people angry, cementing the race's Scrappy status.

Edited by KingLyger on Mar 23rd 2023 at 12:17:27 PM

Scrappies are individuals, not whole groups or races. The Kender were previously removed from the page for that very reason.

then isn’t that just Most Annoying Sound or Critical Annoyance or something similar?

i don’t have a lot of Mega Man knowledge but declaring a character a wholesale Everyone Hates Him deal because of an annoying sound they make feels kind of…. excessive.

Edited by worldwidewoomy on Mar 23rd 2023 at 7:07:33 AM

Flame Hynard is a strange character to talk about. He's well known, but that's because his fight is considered the lowest point of X7's gameplay. It's not really a good thing that he's well remembered.

This isn't a Critical Annoyance thing. His voice clips are rapid and constant because he has two clones (to the point where you can hear them interrupt each other). If it wasn't for the fact that it's unintentional due to poor editing, his fight would probably qualify as Sensory Abuse.

Some people find him hilarious just because of how absurdly bad the entire thing is once you step back and aren't actually playing the game.

Understood; I'll leave it off the main page, and remove it from the YMMV page as well, since it doesn't fit.

I feel Flame Hyanard can stay or at least have a Scrappy Mechanic entry

Anyway, There's a contradiction on this page https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TheScrappy/Pokemon.

An invisible note says not to add any Pokemon species because they don't affect the story at all, but a recent edit added in Mr. Mime and Jynx pointing out how they have Scrappy entries on the Gen 1 YMMV page. So should we remove the ban on Pokemon or remove the entries for Jynx and Mr. Mime on both pages

Edited by Mariofan99 on Mar 27th 2023 at 11:52:11 AM

So can someone explain why Chloe from Fairly Odd Parents isn't considered a scrappy? I know everyone says Sparky was the death knell and Chloe was their failed last gasp at relevancy but between her perfection and breaking so many canon rules I'm just wondering if she can still qualify, even if not to the same extent as Sparky.

According to other entries on the page, while her first appearance was widely decried, later episodes wrote her in a more likable and comedic way, and from what I can tell, she has some fans now. She may be a Replacement Scrappy for Timmy's other friends, but I don't think she's hated quite enough to be The Scrappy, at least not as much as Sparky who I've never seen liked by anybody.

Edited by mightymewtron on Mar 26th 2023 at 2:27:12 PM

This was added to TheScrappy.Pokemon:

• Mr. Mime and Jynx are widely disliked by the fandom for their disturbing designs. Mr. Mime suffers from Everyone Hates Mimes and was given unnerving Marionette Motion in later games, while Jynx was heavily controversial for her Unfortunate Character Design making her look like a blackface performer.^note While her skin was later changed to purple, it didn't help her popularity at all.

It seems to ignore the commented note under the page that "Pokemon species as a whole as they fall more under Tier-Induced Scrappy, Goddamned Bats, or That One Boss." Is it valid as they're hated for non-gameplay reasons? Or invalid as whole species violate no groups and not narrative reasons for hate.

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Apr 1st 2023 at 12:20:41 PM

I personally disagree with the idea that Pokemon species can't qualify, as long as the complaints are design rather than that stat focused, after all looking for the opposite is how we get Ensemble Dark Horse entries

I get the feeling that that entry doesn't even take the Japanese fanbase into account. Personally, I say cut the entry.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Mar 29th 2023 at 8:11:28 AM

Jynx is under Americans Hate Tingle so that's misuse. Mr. Mime fails to explain why the hate is unintentional (the later Marionette Motion is supposed to be uncanny and fails to account for prior hate) and the mime thing didn't come up in gameplay/game story (if it were just it's none game appearances hated I'd get it but doesn't sound like the case), so I'll cut unless anyone objects.

But why are Pokemon alloewed to be base-breaking or darkhorses because of their designs but not scrappies?

I think Mr. Mime does count because the species has negative reception from what I can tell, though it'd need to be tweaked. I think most of the hate for Jynx comes from Americans Hate Tingle so I think she may be closer to a Base-Breaking Character.

EDIT:If I had to be honest, I didn't know that.

Edited by RandomTroper123 on Mar 30th 2023 at 8:24:17 AM

I feel like Mr. Mime has some fans who find it either Creepy Cute or bizarrely funny. Its scenes in the Detective Pikachu movie were well-liked and I've seen people make jokes about Delia's Mr. Mime that are less "I hate that character" and more "this is amusingly bizarre."

Entire Pokemon species cannot be Scrappies, but individual Pokemon can. As an example, Psyduck as a species cannot qualify, but Misty's Psyduck specifically could if fans hate it enough (they don't, but that's beside the point).

Edited by badtothebaritone on Mar 30th 2023 at 10:12:30 AM

Im aware of that but it seems arbitrary that entire species can be loved enough to be darkhorses but not hated enough to be scrappies