The Scrappy Cleanup

Oh. I misread.

Looking at Erin Esurance's YMMV page:

• The Scrappy: Polls indicated that Erin Esurance was unpopular with viewers, with 30% of viewers polled finding the character annoying.

30% hatred doesn't make something unpopular, and it isn't nearly enough to make someone The Scrappy. Pretty sure this can be cut.

YMMV.Spider Man PS 4

• The Scrappy: While her appearance in one of the main game's side missions was considered amusing, Screwball entered this territory in the game's DLC chapters. Along with her obnoxious in-your-face attitude and rude, condescending remarks during her challenges, she attracts a lot of ire due to her side missions basically being tougher reskinned Taskmaster challenges that are made even more annoying due to her constant commentary. Her increasing prominence in the DLC at the expense of other villains like the aforementioned Taskmaster has led to a lot of players feeling that she has long since worn out her welcome. Though it's also not hard to imagine finally defeating her in Silver Lining as being the Take That, Scrappy! moment that it was all leading up to. The lines that she has and her voice actress' voice acting doesn't help, as she was clearly directed to make the character sound as annoying as possible. The lines she has accentuate that as well, as she's written as though the script writer really hates internet culture amongst young people and wants people to agree with them.

She sounds like she was meant to be hated. That and it sounds like she's a Base-Breaking Character at least.

Requesting permission to add Amber from Invincible (2021), as she seems to get a pretty consistent amount of hate from the fanbase. Comic fans dislike her because of her inflated role in the show detracting from the original story, while show fans dislike her because of her inconsistent attitude and unfair treatment of Mark, especially after Episode 7 dropped a couple weeks ago. Any recent post I've seen defending her usually prefaces it with "unpopular opinion" or "hot take", which I think is reflective of the general consensus within the community.

The series premiered on March 26 2021. You'll need to wait until September 26, only add her if she still counts by then, though. The Scrappy has a 6 month waiting period to prevent any knee-jerk reactions.

All right, thanks.

On the Peppa Pig page.

• Delphine Donkey and her family are hated by some people too, due to being offensive French stereotypes. The fact that they're donkeys doesn't help one bit.

The rest of the example seems fine (I don't watch Peppa Pig), but I don't get the last part. Is there something I'm missing?

I never watched Peppa Pig, but the fact that they're donkeys should have absolutely nothing to do with why they're disliked. Not sure about the example itself and if they're valid enough to count, but cut that part out for now.

I guess cuz donkey characters are seen as gonky? But there are donkey characters that are well liked... I think.

Also, the entry is using Weasel Words.

Edited by PlasmaPower on May 8th 2021 at 5:26:33 AM

This was just added to Game Grumps:

• The Scrappy: Invoked—Dan and Arin very quickly grow to dislike Byakuya and Toko in their playthrough of Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc—Toko due to finding her Stalker with a Crush tendencies and her Split Personality Genocide Jack annoying, Byakuya due to his Jerkass status and the fact that he insists on being a genius despite constantly making stupid decisions just for the hell of it. Both Grumps frequently express the hope that one or both characters will die somewhere down the line, though in the end they warm up to them enough that they confess that they're actually kind of relieved that the two made it out alive.

Since it's just the opinion of two people and not necessarily a widespread fandom opinion, it doesn't count here, right? From what I know of the actual Danganronpa community, Byakuya and Toko both have very big fandoms.

Cut, cut, cut!

I tried creating a new trope for this kind of situations called Reviewer Pest, just so we could delete all those shoehorned scrappy examples. It was bombed away.

Oh well. Delete.

It's definitely a thing that appears in episdoes, but I guess people don't want another complaining item, even if it refers to in-universe junk. But I guess it's also not really "tropeworthy" so much as "a guy has an opinion."

I think it's sort of silly though, as we trope reviewer opinions too, yet we have no trope for when they hate a particular character in general.

We don't trope reviewer opinions, though... At least, not in the way you were suggesting we do there.

I'm against the idea of troping real life people in general unless it can be explicitly and without question proven they are playing a character. Dan and Arin aren't really different in real life than they are in Game Grumps.

Given how many review show pages we have, I question the veracity of "we don't trope reviewer opinions"

That's why I clarified that we don't do it "In the way they were proposing". We don't need tropes that are just "Reviewer thinks X", and unless we're actually troping the reviewers as people (which we shouldn't be), most of those "opinion tropes" should actually be the reviewer discussing tropes or being transformative in some way. We don't need a trope just to designate what characters some random YouTube film critic hates.

I have thought of a trope for a reviewer opinion, but it was specifically an idea to catch Actually Pretty Funny misuse.

But this is all off topic anyway.

Found this on Dark Nights: Death Metal:

• The Scrappy: The fandom began to despise Robin King almost immediately after his introduction for lacking the interesting backstories and motivations that made the previous Dark Knights so popular in the first place and coming across as a poor copy of the Batman Who Laughs and his Robins. A sizeable chunk of the fandom also consider him a Replacement Scrappy for the more popular Knights like B-Rex after he ended up being the only survivor of The Darkest Knight's purge. It doesn't help that he immediately got a lot of push in press releases that hyped him up as Scott Snyder's favorite creation and really overstated how awesome he is, only for his proper debut scene to just make him come off as a try-hard. And to make things worse, he seems to have Batman and the Batman-Who-Laughs’s Plot Armor taken Up To Eleven, because according to his own words, he somehow managed to murder every single hero of his world despite being no older than 10 years old. And did we mention that unlike Batman, he didn’t travel around the world and didn’t train under any teachers, which means that he logically shouldn’t be able to do half of the things he does in this story, yet he does them anyway? Where Batman had to work hard and train hard to earn his skills, Robin King somehow already had them from the get-go. Basically, Robin King is a version of Batman who defeats the purpose of Batman: Batman is supposed to symbolise hard work and determination to achieve badassery, but Robin King was apparently already overpowered without requiring any kind of training or hard work from the beginning.

I can see where they're going with, being a less interesting Replacement Scrappy basically, but the second half basically complains that he goes against everything Batman is, which is the whole point of the Dark Multiverse. Of course it's bullshit, it's suppose to be, thats how the DM works. Helps that he's listed on Hate Sink, so it's not like he was suppose to be liked anyways. Either way, I also don't think it has to be this long.

Edited by DoodSlayer136 on May 10th 2021 at 1:42:17 AM

The Film page lists several Spielberg examples, such as Tim and Lex from Jurassic Park, Kelly from The Lost World: Jurassic Park, and Rachel and Robbie from War of the Worlds, who are also listed as Base-Breaking Characters, and their Scrappy entries on those pages were cut some time ago. Should they be cut from the Film page?

Edited by Javertshark13 on May 10th 2021 at 9:23:18 AM

Yes. They are base breaking, after all.

Looking over the American Horror Story Freak Show page, and several of the entries seem like misuse to me:

• Penny's father is shaping up to be a pretty big Scrappy as well.

This one is context-less, and also, Penny's father is supposed to be hated - he does mutilate his daughter for falling in love with a man he doesn't approve of after all.

• Pepper's sister and brother-in-law. While people who watched Asylum already knew that the brother-in-law killed the baby and framed Pepper for it, this season it's revealed that the sister was in on it too, and that Pepper bonded with the baby more than either of its actual parents, which makes what they did all the more heart wrenching.

This sounds more like a Hate Sink than a Scrappy.

I'm not too sure about the other examples, either, but these two are the most blatent.