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Today I found out an interesting fact from troper Ironeye:
Don't ever make the mistake of using the Laconic version as the canonical trope meaning—the laconics are often written by people who don't actually understand the drop. In this case, the laconic only corresponds to one possible cause of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.
The Laconic Description for DIAA states as follows:
The thing is, these descriptions are supposed to make it easier to understand what the page is about. If they can't be accurate as well as short and sweet, then there's a problem.
So for starters, what would be a better description for DIAA?
Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 29th 2023 at 6:23:45 AM
Lucas the Dreamer
This laconic for Metroid Dread is more about the game’s development history than the game itself.
Here’s a replacement I propose.Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Oct 19th 2021 at 8:13:54 AM
Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
Officially intimidated
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I support the suggestion.
“Firearms in media have unrealistic recoil.”
Since the point of the trope seems to be about recoil being the opposite of what you'd expect from real life, how about the following tweak?
"Firearms in media have unrealistic recoil due to giving small guns too much and large guns too little."
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
I'm helping!
But it's typically the "small guns" (handguns) that are given too little recoil and the "large guns" (rocket launchers) that are given too much.
Maybe the trope is more "Media thinks recoil is proportional to the size of the weapon".
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the Retromancer
The part about Monster Energy in Laconic.Death Stranding is funny, but it's just one item of many, I don't think it's notable.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Yes, I went back and forth a bit, trying to figure out what the trope is trying to be. There seems to be inconsistency on the pages:
- The old laconic states the trope is depicting small guns having none and large weapons having recoil.
- The Playing With page says the straight trope is the reverse of this (small guns having too much and large weapons having not enough). It seems to be suggesting that real life is playing the trope straight, but that would be an averted trope, not the trope played straight, so the Playing With page seems to have problems understanding how the trope is really used in works and how to distinguish it from real life.
- The trope description has the following:
- The first paragraph just talks about real life guns having more recoil than shows depict. It initially seems like a generic point about firearms in general, then mentions small arms, then mentions shotguns. But it treats everything the same way: shows depict less recoil than real life, regardless of the gun.
- The fourth paragraph then talks about rocket launchers having very little recoil and grenade launchers having less than people expect, while works tend to exaggerate the recoil of both.
- The fifth paragraph then says the trick is to find a work that doesn't use this rule before launching into how different works and genres actually subvert the trope. So, what is it telling tropers to do? Trope actual use of the trope, aversions, subversions, or anything?
What we end up with is something that doesn't know whether it's a trope description, an analysis of trope use in works, or a Useful Note on how real life recoil works.
I don't know how much sense this trope description is making to people who know a lot about guns, but it comes across to me as having an identity crisis. Your interpretation makes sense to me ("Media thinks recoil is proportional to the size of the weapon") — but if that is the point of the trope, it needs a clean-up to make that absolutely clear, and to identify the actual trope from all the analysis. If that is the trope, it would make a good laconic... but, at the moment, seems to contradict the trope's actual name.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Oct 21st 2021 at 5:56:51 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Lucas the Dreamer
The Laconic for 2xFore is too long and not very good.
the Retromancer
Should the "Alternatively," part at Laconic.Warhammer 40000 be cut?
e: Got ninja removed after I've posted this.
Edited by Amonimus on Oct 23rd 2021 at 11:40:50 AM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Officially intimidated
Was already removed.
I don't mind the current version, but the suggestion works for me.
the Retromancer
Laconic.Reformed Rakes: "All the sexy Bad Boy/Draco in Leather Pants needs is like-OMG TRUE LOVE and then he'll be the perfect husband!"
Literally what.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
I'm helping!
Of course it's so old it predates page histories.
We're gonna change it to "The bad boy love interest becomes a perfect gentleman for the heroine". If it can be improved upon further, we can certainly discuss that, but the current has got to go.
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CG for short
Oh dear, I'm pretty sure the laconic of Villainous breaks some formatting rules and could be considered plagiarism as it admits to being copied from some of the teaser song's lyrics.
- ''Gather around my children,For I have a tale to tellHave you heard the loreOf the most peculiar man of allHe's tall and wears a black hatAnd within the dark he strikes Oh my!No hero dares to stop himThey run in terror and frightIf you've been having trouble with any hero or are just a parent with a terrible child,call 1-800-BLACK HATBut you've been warnedBeware of-''
Edited by Cutegirl920fire on Oct 25th 2021 at 11:21:02 AM
Victor of HGS S320 | "There's rosemary, that's for remembrance. Pray you, love, remember."
I AM KING OF THE BEACH!!
How would you describe Backed by the Pentagon in laconic?
Lucas the Dreamer
I AM KING OF THE BEACH!!
the Retromancer
From Laconic.Ludicrous Gibs: "Rest in pieces. Lots of pieces. All over the place."
Does this sound okay?
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
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On Laconic.Omniglot, ~Random Troper 123 removed
the word "unnatural", leaving just "Fluency in many languages", with the edit reason "I removed unnatural because this occasionally is Truth in Television."
Our understanding was that the unnatural-ness of it was the defining trait of an Omniglot, and natural fluency in many languages is Polyglot (aka Cunning Linguist) instead.
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the Retromancer
I'd revert it stating that we already have a trope for realistic cases. And being "occasionally" doesn't change the fact that talking in 20+ languages isn't normal.
Edited by Amonimus on Oct 29th 2021 at 12:24:04 PM
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the Retromancer
Laconic.Eerie Pale Skinned Brunette: Snow White's appearance (blood-red lips optional), used to make a character creepy.
I don't think Snow White's image specifically is invoked with this trope.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
CG for short
I think something among the lines of "Pale skin and dark brown hair used for unsettling characters" would work.
the Retromancer
Since the sinkhole was my only problem I've replaced just that part, does it look fine? I also have the same issue with the link space, but my standards are lower for those.
Laconic.New Meat says the following:
However, the trope description explains that the point of the trope is how the newcomer is disliked by the experienced team because they haven't proven themselves, make a pest of themselves getting things wrong or constantly asking questions. They then go through events that will either make them hardened members of the team, or get them killed.
The trope also states this applies to other types of characters like police rookies, or other kinds of situations where there's an experienced team and new recruit. As a result, the trope is not limited to warfare.
Suggested replacement:
Edited by Wyldchyld on Nov 1st 2021 at 10:08:30 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Coffeenix! (She/Her)
This is on Deltarune VHS:
I have this re-write that would make sense to people who don't know what The Walten Files is, but I think it's a bit lengthy.
Sandbox help wanted.
Laconic.Law Of Inverse Recoil works as-is, but it's kinda lengthy. Anyone have any suggestions for a more concise formulation?
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