Misused: Creators Pet

You cannot disregard one of the requirements just because... well, as far as I can see, just because. If the character is disliked by "roughly half" of fans and causes controversy, that is clearly not The Scrappy, which requires unanimous or at least overwhelmingly predominant hostility.

edited 10th Jul '17 11:23:46 PM by nrjxll

Alright, I apologized for editing ahead of time, but I must contest on whenever the first point is valid or not. I highly doubt any of the characters listed on the article are universally disliked. Even the worst characters always have their fans. If you're gonna contend that bullet point on that, then why would anyone on the lists qualify?

It's not about having fans. It's about having a not insignificant number of them. If there are enough that she's considered a Base-Breaking Character, she does not qualify.

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I was surprised that the entry of Starlight in Creator's Pet was eliminated, since that issue is becoming more noticeable over the course of the seasons

As for the main/supporting character status of Starlight in MLP, I've seen that the staff still consider her a supporting character and in the marketing sense Hasbro does not treat Starlight at the same level as the protagonists (Mane 6 in My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic and Humane 7 in My Little Pony: Equestria Girls) and considering how the appearances of Starlight in both have been at the main character level well above even the main characters and those appearances have raised negative reactions (especially in EG) there is a severe discrepancy that causes it to rise accusations of Creator's Pet.

The case of Starlight in EG is perhaps the closest example of Creator's Pet I've seen so far, since its appearance has brought criticism from even Starlight fans by how it took the spotlight of everyone, including Sunset, as Starlight did not learn anything important from the trip but she did give a "lesson" to Sunset, the fact that she faced the villain Juniper alone without help (This point is more notorious because the synopsis hinted at a team work of Sunset And Starlight) and the way Starlight defeated it not only was Anti-Climax, but it was also an Ass Pull and (at least in my opinion) with Mary Sue traits.

All that while the special clearly gave more importance as main aspect of the past of Starlight to his plan to remove the Cutie Mark from everyone instead of combining what was her plan of revenge against Mane 6 and as that almost destroyed all Equestria, Basically treating that important aspect that was discarded as if it were not the great thing, being that it could have been useful its mention in the special.

I have no idea what any of that is supposed to mean, but it doesn't actually address the reason the example doesn't count: a character must be The Scrappy, not merely controversial, to qualify for this page.

This was recently added to The Inhumans:

• Creator's Pet: For Marvel Entertainment CEO Ike Perlmutter, who really likes these guys, but whose treatment of other franchises have left them divisive among the fans.
  • Due to 20th Century Fox owning the film rights to the X-Men, Perlmutter influenced the people below to promote the Inhumans as being "the next X-Men" whilst subsequently trying to minimize or demote the status of Mutants in the Marvel Universe, leading to the cancellation of multiple X-Men titles and the deaths of popular Mutant characters. A lot of X-Men fans were understandably pissed at this, and many of the Inhumans comics have struggled as a result of causing division within the Marvel fandom.
  • Furthermore, it's been rumored that Perlmutter absolutely refused to let Kevin Feige (who is a considerably more popular creative leader at Marvel) develop movies based on Black Panther (2018) and Captain Marvel unless he made an Inhumans movie, allegedly for concerns that projects starring a nonwhite superhero or a female superhero wouldn't do well. This being in spite of there arguably being less interest for an Inhumans movie, and the fact that both Black Panther and Captain Marvel were necessary components to lead into Avengers: Infinity War and its sequel while Inhumans wasn't.
  • Once Feige was promoted to a position where he wouldn't have to answer to Perlmutter, the Inhumans movie was taken off of Marvel's schedule as two new projects (Spider-Man: Homecoming and Ant-Man and the Wasp) took its place, with the intention apparently being that Marvel would make a movie after they'd wrapped up their 22-movie Myth Arc. Perlmutter, however, did not want to wait, and instead greenlit a miniseries for television — itself a controversial move, since many fans believe that the comic could only be done justice with a cinematic budget. Matters were made even worse when Scott Buck, who was infamous for the Seasonal Rot on Dexter, was announced as the showrunner, along with the subsequent poor reception toward the first season of Iron Fist (2017) that Buck led the charge on.

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I... actually think the Inhumans being this for Perlmutter might qualify. I've really heard nothing good said about his favoring of them.

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They might've fit if we had a looser definition, but with the one we have now, they don't fit. One, they're a group. Two, they're intended as main characters. Three, they're described as divisive, but not outright hated.

edited 23rd Jul '17 12:02:05 PM by AnotherDuck

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TBH, the situation is really closer to a backlash against Perlmutter for pushing the Inhumans (and how he's doing so) than the Inhumans themselves as such. Though their popularity has probably been negatively affected, I feel like the issue's too meta overall to count.

edited 23rd Jul '17 5:33:30 AM by nrjxll

So, someone mentioned Deathstroke on CreatorsPet.Comic Books in another thread. Now, I'm not quite sure about where various comic book character fit into all this, especially since most of them seem to be main characters somewhere (which would disqualify them). The opinions are also generally much more divided (Deathstroke has Broken Base or something, I believe).

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I'd advocate removing the Creator's Pet entry. I can't stand Deathstroke myself, but there's way too many people out there who find him cool for him to qualify.

I'd say he might still qualify at the time Wolfman and later Meltzer was writing him. He might not qualify in the present.

Deathstroke's most recent incarnation is being written by a guy who has no qualms about portraying him as a sociopathic amoral mercenary.

edited 19th Dec '17 11:18:44 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised

How does he have excessive Character Focus and Character Shilling?

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• Due to a Broken Base over the subject, the fans of My Hero Academia that dislike Bakugou accuse him of being such. Although he spends from the age of 4 to 15 bullying Midoriya, he never faces consequences for doing so. All students praise him for being such a good fighter and teachers are impressed by his abilities, after being saved, heroes still praise how big of a fighter he was in the first chapter. This really hit the fences when he wins the School Sports Tournament, hence giving him the title of strongest freshman in U.A.. Other fans though point out he had a long list of Butt-Monkey and even Badass in Distress moments and had a big piece of Humble Pie ever since he entered U.A.

I'm pretty sure Bakugo isn't a Creator's Pet considering how he's a Base-Breaking Character rather than The Scrappy (which the example's wording itself points out), he doesn't get excessive Character Focus, and isn't shilled as he has several flaws which are regularly pointed out to him.

So you're saying the line with, "All students praise him for being such a good fighter and teachers are impressed by his abilities, after being saved, heroes still praise how big of a fighter he was in the first chapter," is completely false?

That said, there's no evidence of Creator's Favorite, and he's not The Scrappy.

edited 21st Dec '17 10:42:03 PM by AnotherDuck

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And a user named Dere just readded the Sally Acorn(and Dulcy) entry about SATAM without any discussion that could be found from this thread or the discussion tab. If I missed something, I apologize. But I couldn't find it.

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I reverted their entry. Not sure if it counts as edit warring, but we might want to page them to this thread.

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I can't remember how to properly call a person to the thread.

That said, they did revert the example. Calling them in here seems like the best course of action.

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Dere here. What is there to discuss? As stated in the paragraph, the second season's most prominent writer himself admitted that Sally and Dulcy are his favorite characters (along with the title character), and they (along with Sonic) got more screentime than any other character in said season. Sally even got a lot of shilling, with plenty of season 2 episodes ending with Sonic conceding that she was right and he was a bonehead for not listening to her. The shilling and overuse of Sally is one of the most common criticisms about that season among fans. What more do you want?

edited 23rd Jan '18 4:35:35 PM by Dere

That brings something up for both this thread and the thread about The Scrappy, since that trope is a requirement.

TheScrappy.Western Animation lists the following:

• While they have a fanbase, Sally and Antoine get occasional flak for their Spotlight-Stealing Squad status and their roles tracking away from the main character (Sally always had moral superiority over Sonic and ensured a karmic downfall for him whenever he ignored her, while Antoine was The Load with similar obnoxious slapstick as Dulcy).

This example reads as a smaller complaint rather than a true Scrappy. This example either needs to be rewritten, or the character needs to be removed from both The Scrappy and Creator's Pet.

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If the characters in question have a fanbase and the flak is only occasional as the entry mentions, that means they aren't Scrappies nor Creators Pets, meaning both entries can be cut. They may be Base Breaking Characters though.

edited 24th Jan '18 1:46:18 AM by ADrago

Well, every character has a fanbase, but it doesn't mean it makes up the majority of people. Antoine and especially Dulcy are loathed among SatAM fans for being ditzes, kid appeal characters and spotlight stealing squads, although the former received all that screentime due to executive meddling rather than being the writers' favorite. Sally, for her part, has more fans than them within the show's fanbase, but also gets a lot of flack for playing the "Miss Always Right" role in relation with the hero and for her treatment in the second season, and she's disliked by most of the Sonic fandom in general.

edited 24th Jan '18 7:25:04 PM by Dere

...And the user Dere just re-added it again, when this thread clearly has not made a consensus to re-add it, as it was still against the entry being put up.

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And they're suspended. That was easy.

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