Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.
As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
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I argue that it's plain impossible in real life.
If it fits multiple categories (and I could probably make a case for it being Narrative too), then maybe it's a candidate for the new "Multiple/Other" category we've been discussing.
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
I think we should probably stick with just Too Common for now since that's our strongest argument for crownering.
speaking of which, i made that sandbox finally. No Real Life Multiple Categories And Other
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I guess I'll cut the one I made (Sandbox.No Real Life Other) then, since I didn't get around to adding a list.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 19th 2022 at 6:05:51 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
ah shoot, Gaston, i missed that, my bad.
anyway, i went through the As and started on the Bs on Morality Tropes.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I salvaged the Laconic, commented-out note, and navigation bar from the sandbox I never got around to finishing and added them to that one.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
So would we be able to add Fair for Its Day onto the Multiple/Other category now, or wait til it "goes live"?
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
i would index it somewhere for now just so it gets marked NRLEP and i will also put it on the sandbox. once the sandbox goes live, whenever that is, the tropes on it can be removed from the other indexes.
How sweet it is
Calling the following in favor of NRLEP:
- Nightmare Face (39:5)
- Steel Eardrums (36:6)
- Outliving One's Offspring (37:9)
The Enforcer
The Atoner feels like it shouldn't have real life examples. It's a morality trope and seeing as it's got an entire page of them, may be too common.
they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
She / Her
I agree and I feel that should be added sometime.
Hollerin to put the following on the crowner:
It Will Never Catch On - Impossible in Real Life and Narrative trope (Added Sept 20th).
(she/her)
I'm gonna bump some old posts, but break it down into manageable chunks. Someone brought up the following tropes (in separate posts that I'm consolidating here):
The Real Life sections are merely celebrity couples with their heights. Obviously in fiction we use the tropes to convey certain ideas when there are couples with mis-matched heights, but real life is just .... real life, so it serves no real purpose.
Should we crowner these as Narrative tropes, or is perhaps a cleanup in order?
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
I brought up One Head Taller in this post. In the case with Huge Guy, Tiny Girl, I suggest that only the top 3 examples can be kept, while the rest can be removed because they are just celebrity couples.
Edited by Mechanicalman450 on Sep 21st 2022 at 5:56:13 PM
Also, is there any difference between ItWillNeverCatchOn.Real Life and And You Thought It Would Fail? Seems like if real people think a real media phenomenon will fail and it becomes a smash hit, it belongs on the latter page anyway.
EDIT: My bad, badtothebaritone already said this. Great minds, etc.
Edited by MonaNaito on Sep 21st 2022 at 11:16:26 AM
That was my exact reasoning for bringing it up. It Will Never Catch On is when someone in a depiction of the past disparages some thing that wasn't popular then but is popular now, with the hindsight the audience has making the claim laughable. That can't happen in real life because it can't depict the past.
Edited by badtothebaritone on Sep 21st 2022 at 9:56:22 AM
the Retromancer
I'm upvoting It Will Never Catch On, but by the vote ratio I think there may be some confusion. The main reasoning isn't to cut RL page entirely, but to move it from a narrative trope to And You Thought It Would Fail, which is YMMV and makes more sense. Maybe the reasoning in the crowner needs to reflect this.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Crowner entry now mentions the contents will be moved to And You Thought It Would Fail rather than cut entirely.
So there're enough downvotes on it, it will be cut entirely.
Where was the discussion to move all example to And You Thought It Would Fail?
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
the Retromancer
Right here? A few people have expressed that two sections are too similar, so if RL is cut, logcially examples can be moved if they fit even without the crowner. I suppose the conversation hasn't really reached conclusion. If there's a need to discuss further between just cutting and cutting+moving, we can halt the voting.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Somewhat off topic, but I finished a No Real Life Multiple sandbox a while ago. I went through all seven pages and also found that there were a lot of tropes listed on two pages already, so hopefully if this sandbox goes live it'll cut down on that.
But you said the reasoning for cutting It Will Never Catch On involved moving examples to And You Thought It Would Fail. Which is something I would disagree with, since a) there is already significant overlap to the point where I question the need to have both tropes and b) that real life section has the exact same problem as IWNCO. Namely it's something far too common and relies entirely on hindsight bias.
Until you brought it up, there was no mention of moving the examples, now all of a sudden it's the main reasoning??
Edited by laserviking42 on Sep 21st 2022 at 7:36:29 AM
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
Discarded and Feeling Blue
One is IUEO tho.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- The item have been on the crowne for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
